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Unsurprisingly, the Tories have been trying desperately to distance themselves from their sister party in the US since allegations of sexual abuse by Republican Party candidate Donald Trump came to light.
So they probably won’t be very happy about me pointing out that a Trump supporting organisation called the Young Republican National Federation …
… sent activists over to the UK to help the Tories fight their 2015 election campaign:
Oh right. Best keep it to ourselves then …
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Is this legal when campaigns must be run to a budget?
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Should point out that YRNF is a Republican organisation that has been operational since before WWII.
Trump did not announce his intention to run for the Presidency until June 2015 – not only after the date of this publication but also after the Conservatives had won the May election.
Attempting, therefore, to link this vote canvassıng with Trump is totally without foundation or justification – Vox Political also please note.
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Wonder if they “helped” those Tory candidates who, it is alleged, broke the law regarding election expense limits?
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The General Election expenses for the MPs for the three constituencies, Enfield North, Windsor and Aylesbury are not, I believe, subject to examination so the answer to your innuendo is probably “No”
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And the rest, RobtheFox? My own constituency MP (Weaver Vale) is under investigation by Cheshire Constabulary on suspicion of electoral fraud.
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If you read the article and my responses to NMac you may actualy notice that the question of election expenses is not an issue for discussion here as no connection has been established between the group and any claims.
There is no indication that the members of this group from the long established YRNF were supporters of Trump or any other of the eventual Republican runners. There is nothing to stop them being members of YRNF and despising Trump in the same way that there are some members of the UK Labour party who despise Corbyn.
The group only visited over a matter of a few days to the three constituencies, none of which are subject to scrutiny.
This article has no connection with Weaver Vale but no doubt if the Cheshire Constabulary identify any possible wrong doings then matters will take their course; at present the MP for Weaver Vale has nothing to answer for.
Sadly Tom Pride is reduced to distorting the sequence of events in order to try and concoct a smear…..and you and NMac and Vox Political have happily fallen into the same pit.
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RobtheFox, your comments are so full of half-truths, I can only presume a fascist bias. The issues of finances and honestymay not have been looked in to yet, but that doesn’t mean they’re legit. Republicans may theoretically not support Trump, Pence, etc, but the Republican Party is extreme and it’s a statistical impossibility these young Republicans are reasonable. If the group visited for a few days, you can’t say “it only visited over a few days” as if that’s not enough time to cause trouble.
Most people are rightly suspicious of youngsters from the far right of another country interfering, just as we’re suspicious of your libellous claim of smears from Tom Pride and Vox Political who have earned our trust. I imagine they’d sue if you were taken seriously.
Stop wasting our time with your sophistry – everyone here knows your kind will say anything.
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The danger wıth presuming is that it is an even chance that you are right or an even chance, as in your case, that you are wrong.
There is nothing in my comments to suggest that the expenses claims are either legitimate or otherwise. I take the view of ınnocent until proven guilty, perhaps you do not.
While you are, of course, perfectly entitled to your opinion of any political party, to simply label members carte blanche and claim that these young members were anything but reasonable is without foundation unless you have evidence that they caused trouble.
“Most people are rightly suspicious of youngsters from……”,again, you have evidence to show at least 50% of the UK population share this blanket statement?
There is nothing libelous in my comment but merely a reflection that an old article has been dragged up an been subjected to unwarranted and unsupported misinterpretation.
Whether Tom Pride and Vox Political have earned your trust is irrelevant and does not make them immune from criticism.
I shall decide if I wish to submit a comment – not you. Tom Pride will decide if he wıshes to publish it – not you.
This is not sophistry….I suggest the word you were seeking was sophistication.
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RobtheFox: Presumption is not evenly right and wrong: I made my decision based on your own statements, not a coin toss, so I’m probably right.
You resort to the incorrect cliche of “innocent until proven guilty,” while conveniently overlooking the fact suspicions warrant further investigation: while not yet guilty enough to be arrested, convicted or sentenced, their behaviour may have effectively given the Conservatives an advantage that constitutes criminality (I don’t know what – if any – safeguards the system has to prevent this). Looking in to this means they have passed beyond completely innocent, at least for a while. perhaps I should have made it clearer I don’t think they should be locked up, just investigated.
I didn’t label all members carte blanche, but made it clear there would be exceptions, just not enough. For evidence of the group’s mindset, go to the top of the page to see the YRNF using Trump’s dog whistle slogan “Time to Make America Great Again.”
Most people are rightly suspicious of outsiders is my observation. It is not necessary for me to survey the whole UK population. To effectively say my experience doesn’t constitute evidence is undiplomatic at best and tries to reduce me to an “unperson” at worst.
I suppose the issue of who’s earnt my trust may be irrelevant when there are facts to deal with, but even the lowest of the low should be immune from unfair criticism.
You can submit a comment; I can tell you off.
Before you reply to this, consider whether or not you’ll just be going over the same ground: I can always resort to ignoring you. I dare say we’re both thinking the Dunning-Kruger Effect is at work here.
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I will keep it brief as my points have already been made.
I accept that the odds on presumption may not be even but it matters little when what one presumes is actually incorrect.
“Innocent until proved guilty” is not a cliche; it is a statement which, in many countries is written into the law – eg Human Rights. A phrase like “not judging a book by its cover” is a cliche.
As you can see from my earlier reply to ‘wildswimmerpete’ in Weaver Vale I acknowledge the need to investigate possible electoral fraud and take appropriate action. Indeed just today the Commission has just done that has it not?
As regards Trumps slogan at the header. This was used over a year after the group visited – it has nothing to do with the visit and is actually at the Republican Conventıon where he accepted nomination….and, of course, the slogan has been one of the Republican Party since 1979.
If it is only your observations that most people are rightly suspicious then perhaps you should disclose that it is not proven fact and only within the limits of those observations
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Indeed I would not seek to criticise when it would be unfair to do but, in my opinion, dragging this relic from the past, making an unwarranted attempt at linking wıth the present and trying to make capital out of it is ripe for justifiable criticism.
You have no authority to “tell me off” but have the right to respectfully disagree with me.
Goodnight.
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As we move closer to a borderless world this sort of thing will become more common. We may not always like it, but we all have to make some sacrifices for the New World Order.
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