UPDATE: The trust has suspended its attempt to make NHS patients pay. Thanks to you – everyone who shared. But NO THANKS to the handful of idiots who dismissed it as fake news. It was not fake. It was an attempt to make NHS patients (not foreigners, not private patients, you) pay for essential ops (not just cosmetic ops) such as cataracts, hip replacements etc. We have to keep watching them. They WILL try again.
Please don’t say you weren’t warned.
Because you’ve been warned time and time and time again the Tories are stealthily privatising the NHS.
This doesn’t mean just handing over hospitals and NHS services to private firms.
It means stealthily introducing actual charges to NHS patients at point of need.
This is all totally ignored by the mainstream press of course.
NHS trusts are now so confident they’ll get away with it, they are openly publishing the very first price lists since the formation of the NHS – for NHS operations, NHS procedures and NHS consultations (see here):
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I’m waiting for the next phase, which will be sold to us under the guise of “patient choice”, and that is for everyone to be allocated an amount they can “spend” on their NHS care per year. We’ll be told this is so we can choose what treatment/s we wish to have and that it will put us “in control” of our care, and that we can of course pay more for additional treatments if we wish. Then, as with benefits, the value of one’s eligible amount will be subject to revision and slashed in future budgets and legislative changes until it will no longer cover anything but the most basic NHS services – the cost of which will of course have been ever-increasing. We will then be at the point where a supplement towards every treatment is charged to the patient. Job done.
Mark my words, this is where it’s heading. Just as has happened with housing benefit.
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Disgraceful gaslighting
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Thank you for highlighting this Tom. I do rather wish that the people who think only Brexit is a threat to the NHS would wake up to the fact that the NHS has been under threat since Scratcher introduced ‘marketisation’ & that the threat was escalated 2010 onwards. Only thing that will save it is a complete change of government – not including the LimpDumps for obvious reasons (2012 Health & Social Care Act just for e.g)
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I understand these are the fees that the NHS pays for the services- not what the patient has to pay
[You understand wrong. It’s for patients to pay.] – TOM
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YThis has been going on for some years. These payments are for procedures which are considered medically unnecessary, for example correction of ‘bat ears’ or removal of first or second degree piles. Patients can ask for these procedures to be done at NHS cost if they meet the eligibility criteria.
Overall it makes sense. Health provision is expensive in time and personnel and money and that expense is not reasonably justified in the case of the procedures. This will be hard for some, for example those who set their hearts on a cosmetic procedure which confers no health benefit but helps the individual feel better in an age which – tragically – emphasises the unobtainable ‘body perfect.’
So I’m not unhappy about this despite my absolute commitment to keeping medical treatment free at the point of consumption. And it is not because of Brexit.
[If you think hip or knee replacement is ‘medically unnecessary’,you need to talk to someone who can’t walk because they need one]- Tom
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See the link at the bottom of the PDF you have posted this has been in place since 2013 there is no conspiracy to do with the leadership election.
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What do you mean “This is all totally ignored by the mainstream press of course”?This story was published in the Liverpool Echo yesterday and the Mirror this morning!
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/shock-anger-nhs-price-list-16447991
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-price-list-sparks-outrage-16540979
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Ok so many are life choice, but that can be resolved with verbal medical advice- but others are life changing! Either way it’s just the start! Who knows where it will end? We’ve paid into the funding all our working lives! Why try and make some necessary treatments chargeable?
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Wonder how they worked out prices – £1904, £1387,£3003…. hardly figures that have a natural pricing strategy to them.
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Where is the evidence that this is what you claim, Tom? Your blanket statement answers to previous comments seem to be opinion, not proof.
[Are you an idiot or something? LOOK. IN. THE. BLOGPOST. There is a link placed clearly in it to the source. Twice in fact. Or don’t you know what internet links are? Struth!] – TOM
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They should charge for all A&E entries that are a result of excessive drink and drugs.
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Bollocks this is a list of prices for foreign nationals not in the NHS
[Oh such gullible idiots. It’s not charges for pesky foreigners. It’s charges for you and me to have to pay for procedures now considered “no longer available” on the NHS. Here’s from the official explanation:
‘The Trust has introduced My Choice© an affordable self-pay service to enable access for patients denied NHS procedures classified by commissioners to be ‘Low Clinical Priority’ (PLCPs).
Originally created in 2013 to enable patients denied varicose vein procedures, the service has been significantly extended to include the large number of procedures no longer available on the NHS (PLCPs).‘] – TOM
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So What does…
“Procedures such as hip and knee replacements and cataract removal operations remain available on the NHS in the usual way if the criteria are met.” mean? What are the criteria that need to be met? That question is crucial, but no information given.
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This is the original source.
https://whh.nhs.uk/mychoice
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“The very first NHS price lists”
*glares in transgender*
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For those of you asking for a source.. it wasn’t hard to find !! https://whh.nhs.uk/mychoice?
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The price list appears to be the charges that are applied to overseas visitors (chargeable patients)
[Not overseas patients. Any British person who needs the procedures. ] – Tom
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The comment about people who are admitted to A & E for alcohol or drug related issues betrays ignorance and a lack of empathy. When would you stop ? Being overweight? Having children when you know there is a risk of a genetic abnormality ? Writing stupid things on the internet ?
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This was introduced in 2013, and the price list here is from 2018. The service is for patients who have been denied these procedures on the N.H.S. (whether because they’re not clinically necessary, they’re low priority, etc.). I think that it’s undesirable (to say the least), but it doesn’t help to misrepresent it as something slipped out quietly during the Brexit debates or the Tory leadership context, nor to claim that the price list is for all patients.
[So gullible. In 2013, the list wasn’t a list because it included just one procedure NHS patients would have to pay for – varicose veins. The list has now grown to include essential operations such as hip replacements – without which patients often can’t walk and have to suffer severe pain. So cannot be described as “low priority”. And no doubt in the next couple of years, the list will grow more and more to include other “low priority” procedures NHS patients will have to pay for. This list was made at the end of 2018 – exactly while the country was (and is) distracted by the Tories’ Brexit disaster. And yes – the list is for ALL patients. So, just about everything you wrote is wrong. But apart from that …] – TOM
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https://www.whh.nhs.uk/mychoice This is the section on their website
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Can we have an original source please?
[There’s a link placed in the bloody blogpost. Twice. ] – Tom
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Clue is at the bottom. Chargeable Payments Officer. It is a price for overseas visitors but nice try with the project fear. Maybe a little more research or a little less bullshit in future eh?
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Scaremongering. From the first google result “The Trust has introduced My Choice© an affordable self-pay service to enable access for patients denied NHS procedures classified by commissioners to be ‘Low Clinical Priority’ (PLCPs).
My Choice© enables patients to pay (self-fund) to have these procedures undertaken at Halton General, CMTC or Warrington hospitals at the local NHS price.“
This is for patients to self fund procedures the trust won’t cover. The NHS is not here to fund nose jobs, breast enlargements or reversal of male sterilisation. The NHS is rapidly running out of money funding more and more non-life saving procedures and moving further from it’s original vision. In its current state it is unsustainable
[If you think hip and knee replacement operations are inessential, try talking to someone who can’t walk because they need one. Or maybe you think walking is unnecessary?] – TOM
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Hip replacement? Knee replacement?
As for nose job, or pinning of ears while some people may think of them as cosmetic they could have a profound effect on a person’s mental health. Yes some abuse it but this is the first step on a slippery slope.
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Like how you’ve screenshotted the PDF and removed the date. (This price list is 7 months old and it’s something the NHS has been doing years.
This is how fake news and misinformation spread. Please desist.
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The Tories sold all our Gas.Coal.Electricity and now the NHS. You see they can afford to pay out of our Taxes. And call them their expenses.
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God help anybody suffering from cancer. Will this be the next step up.
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Firstly, this isn’t new at all. You are spreading misinformation. Secondly, it isn’t point of need charges. This is for anyone who has been denied NHS operations; from what I’ve read not just at the Warrington Hospital where the My Choice service was created, but everywhere.
I hate the Tories as much as anyone, but by spredding false information you are just muddying the waters for voters, so they won’t know what is fact and what isn’t
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Date your articles! Also add sources.
[Sources are IN THE BLOGPOST. Twice linked. In future, do try to read something before criticising it] – TOM
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That woman is still doing her own thing she is a disgrace and we really do need to make ourselves heard we need to stop this for God’s sake people get your heads out your arses and look listen wats going on in our country and its not just ours but we should start with our own and do something Now
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Well, looking at the comments, they follow the usual social media pattern; hardly anyone reads other comments, so they’ve no idea that you’re effectively lying to them, and they swallow it all uncritically. Then they pass it on, and theior friends do the same. You’re no better than Johnson, Give, and all the rest — you just have a strong sense of righteousness that doubtless makes you think that posting misleading stories, misinformation, and plain lies is justified because you’re on the side of the angels. But in fact you’re part of the problem, the toxic state of political discourse today.
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This apppauling excuse of a government really need to go, not just the PM. the whole lot of them. Every thinking person has know for some time what’s going on . Everything Labour has brought in over the years to assist the most vulnerable in our society is being systematically striped away . Let’s have our country back from the far right wing of the CONservtive party.
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My understanding is that people who can afford the procedures on the list can choose to pay ( I have no problem for the cosmetic ones on the list, but there are some serious procedures on there ( and I think that is the difference with this new list) ..however they will be carried out by the same NHS doctors which surely means the non-payers will move down the list? ..this is a massive shift and I think it’s terrifying and I am not being dramatic
[No. If you need one of those procedures you have no choice. You will have to pay.] – TOM
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“This has been going on for some years. These payments are for procedures which are considered medically unnecessary, for example correction of ‘bat ears’ or removal of first or second degree piles. Patients can ask for these procedures to be done at NHS cost if they meet the eligibility criteria.
Overall it makes sense. Health provision is expensive in time and personnel and money and that expense is not reasonably justified in the case of the procedures. This will be hard for some, for example those who set their hearts on a cosmetic procedure which confers no health benefit but helps the individual feel better in an age which – tragically – emphasises the unobtainable ‘body perfect.’
So I’m not unhappy about this despite my absolute commitment to keeping medical treatment free at the point of consumption. And it is not because of Brexit.
[If you think hip or knee replacement is ‘medically unnecessary’,you need to talk to someone who can’t walk because they need one]- Tom”
Assuming that this post is correct, I would imagine that ‘someone who can’t walk because they need one’ (referring to hip and knee replacement) will meet the eligibility criteria written about in the post. There seems to be nothing here about denying care to those who need it, as opposed to those who would like to have it but do not seem to be in need.
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This is a bit of a misrepresentation. This price list is for non-essential and non-emergency treatment i.e. treatment the patient desires not requires. Previously, patients would not be able to receive this treatment unless they went privately. This is a happy medium; cheaper procedures than private.
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Remember, this was released in 2013. It’s nothing to do with Brexit and it’s nothing new.
Still bloody digusting though. This is what I pay taxes and national insurance for….
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I had a double hip transplant and it totally changed my life.
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The NHS had private wings and charged for services back in the 1960’s this is nothing new
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So it begins. Those who can pay will be treated. Those who can’t and have no money to pay such bills will Suffer. What will happen to the Health Tourists and Immigrants? Prisoners and people who have paid into the National Insurance all their working lives. Bet they suffer too. Absolutely Disgusting. No longer the envy of the world since these Tories took over is it.
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Complete bollocks. Some people will believe anything.
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Another important aspect to this discussion, even if there is uncertainty surrounding it is who decides if something is necessary and therefore who should pay and who shouldn’t? You think it will be at the patients discretion? Is there not ever such a slight chance that it might be decided by a private company which is given the contract by the government? Maybe we should ask those who have endured the disability benefits assessment how that turned out?
To those claiming they are ‘non essential or non-emergency’ treatments, if it weren’t for treatment on their hands for Dupuytren’s contracture, both my brothers would have had to give up work years ago. I suffer from it currently, to a much less degree but it’s possible it could become increasingly troublesome. Even if this system isn’t in place now, does anyone really think it won’t be inflicted on us in the near future?
We have only one chance to avoid the US ‘pay or nay’ system. His name is Jeremy Corbyn. It’s not just his support for Palestinians that is so distasteful to ‘the elites’ (although antisemitism is a very useful stick to try and beat him with), it’s a whole raft of reasonable and fair systems he will try to save or bring back into public ownership. Those worried about losing out to nationalisation via their pensions I’d suggest take your money out now and enjoy it, while it’s still there to take out. If redistribution doesn’t take it a financial crash will do.
As George Carlin said, even though he was referring to the US, “When they get all they can from you, then they will take away the pension you worked all your life for and they’ll get it.”
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Utter bollocks. The NHS have been issuing this price list aimed at non EU visitors for years.
[Nope. Not for pesky ‘foreigners’. It’s for you and me to pay. For “procedures no longer available on the NHS”. Here’s the official explanation:
‘The Trust has introduced My Choice© an affordable self-pay service to enable access for patients denied NHS procedures classified by commissioners to be ‘Low Clinical Priority’ (PLCPs).
Originally created in 2013 to enable patients denied varicose vein procedures, the service has been significantly extended to include the large number of procedures no longer available on the NHS (PLCPs).’
It’s gullible idiots like you who think it’s not happening that’s the real reason the Tories are able to privatise the NHS so easily.] – TOM
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So if I’m having a baby , do I need to pay for epidural injection?
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OK. The list comes from one NHS Trust, in Warrington. The local commissioners have designated these as “procedures of low clinical priority” – they have very stretched budgets because of the cuts – and have said they cannot fund them. The Warrington area is highly deprived, and they have a *lot* of patients with multiple comorbidities, including combinations of physical and mental health conditions. And social care has been cut to the bone.
So they also have very high need across their population. And inadequate funding. Thus they have to ration the money they do have. They are not alone.
I agree the inclusion of some hip and knee replacement procedures in this list is not great. However, rather than people who want these procedures – and who can afford to – going private (and paying a lot more, with the cash going to corporate shareholders), the local hospital is offering them at the standard national tariff prices as far as I can see. The money therefore goes into supporting the local NHS hospital.
It is a result of austerity and the current (and previous) Governments running down the NHS and social care. And it is a symptom of the local NHS and care services trying desperately to do the best they can with inadequate funding.
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Please share if you care about the nhs phrase get me
This has nothing to do with the nhs treatment is supposed to be free at point of service and free for all?
What happens if you need surgery but cannot pay for it? This goes back to the pre 1940’s. My mother and father will be turning in their graves
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My husband and I (baby boomers) have already discovered that having to pay for treatments means also that we are unable to get much payment returned from the health companies for treatments, and most things can not be covered. What with our pensions already dropped in value, the costs of looking after our bungalow, shopping, and all other normal everyday things going up, losing friends and relatives as we go to more and more funerals, and trying to cope with our health problems and finding a way to get to a doctor within the next few months etc. The least we should be able to do is watch TV for free even if most of the programs are crap.
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Can’t people who’ve said these are charges for Non-EU or Overseas patients not able to click on the link given? It explicitly states it’s for those who have been told that they are not eligible (for whatever reason) for ‘free’ treatment, so that they can still have the procedure at their own expense.
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Sorry but yes the Tories are cunts but his has nothing to do with NHS privatisation, it’s a standard price list for minor non-essential treatments OR for people not entitled to free treatment this policy has been in place for YEARS and is nothing new. Some of these treatments while considered minor and not covered for most will be covered if they affect your ability to work etc.
[Dear Martin, ,
Since when has the NHS decided hip replacements – without which many patients are in severe pain and cannot walk – are such ‘minor non-essential treatments’ and such low priority that patients need to pay over 8 thousand to have it done on the NHS?
I’ll tell you when. It’s not “YEARS”. It’s since this list was made at the end of 2018. In 2013 this list had just one ‘non-essential’ procedure on it – varicose veins. And no doubt in the next few years the list will grow to include more and more ‘non-essential’ procedures we now have to pay for on the NHS.
So I have just one question for you.
Are you a Tory? Or just one of the Tories’ gullible idiots?
Regards,
Tom]
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Martin King – How can you be so wilfully blind – of course this is all about NHS privatisation. Unless you are from Tory Central Office (there are lots on here tonight).
The next move is to increase the number of exclusions steadily until the only way to protect your family will be to take out Health Insurance. By then it will be too late.
If you want to hear a proper writer saying this, go to BBC I-Player and check out Grans speech in Years and Years Episode 6 (about 6 mins in ).
And then DO SOMETHING!
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10 seconds of research says this article is bullshit.
Warrington and Halton trust introduced this in 2013.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_%26_Halton_Hospitals_NHS_Foundation_Trust
[Sigh. Yes. And 11 seconds of research says in 2013 the list had just one procedure on it that NHS patients were forced to pay for – varicose veins. The list has now grown (updated end of last year) to include essential procedures such as hip replacements – without which many patients are in severe pain and cannot walk. And no doubt in the next few years the list will expand to include ever more procedures that NHS patients will have to pay for. So I have one question for you. Are you a Tory? Or just one of the Tories’ very gullible but very useful idiots?] – TOM
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These are the prices for non-essential treatments… if you medically need the treatment it is still available on the NHS. If the NHS has the spare capacity then why not recoup some money by offering these treatments for payment.
The only real issue is if they start denying/delaying essential treatment in the hope that the patient will stump up the cash.
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Start charging people from abroad for their treatment and operations it’s a joke!!!!!!! Who haven’t and don’t pay a penny!!!!! If we get ill abroad we have to pay thousands or they don’t let us out of the country!!!!!
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I can’t think of many everyday people who would want to see the NHS ruined, but this is highly biased and misleading report. Those charges do not apply to the NHS ‘subscribers’. It applies to people who are ineligible e.g.those who haven’t contributed.
But of course you’re a liberty to dramatise it by cherry picking the words in the post.
[No it doesn’t only apply to people who have not contributed. It applies to you. And me. And every British person entitled (up to now) to NHS treatment. Putting your head in the sand and pretending it doesn’t apply to you is understandable, given how shocking the news is.
But by pretending it doesn’t apply to you makes you one of the gullible but very useful idiots to the people trying to privatise the NHS.] – TOM
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I think that’s quite good in the name of transparency. Those procedures are cosmetic and have always been chargeable.. what’s the issue?
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For those of you that say it’s ok for the NHS to charge for non essential operations your all wrong…. why?? Because the surgery time could be spent reducing the waiting lists for essential operations, how much priority is given to private? Private operations should be for private healthcare otherwise it will be a slippery slope to profit over responsibility.
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When the NHS was launched in 1948 the cost was around was £448 million which equates to around £12 billion now, the budget for this year is £129 billion.
The population of the UK in 1948 was 50 million, the population of the UK now is very nearly 67 million, that’s 4 million more than only 10 years ago, the recent stats of population are as follows…
Year Population Yearly Change
2017 66,181,585 393,011
2016 65,788,574 391,494
2015 65,397,080 418,047
2010 63,306,843 604,018
Add to this the ageing population, the rise in obesity & type 2 diabetes etc, no wonder the NHS is struggling. I hear a lot about how the government is determined to privatise it which I simply don’t believe, it would be the finish of any government to implement this, I do however think that firstly, the NHS should be overhauled in terms of how it’s managed, we’ve all read the stories about the wildly different cost of things, secondly, people should take more responsibilty for themselves, go into any A&E on a Friday & Saturday night and you’ll see what I mean, then there’s all the unnecessary things that people go there for, this list was compiled back in 2014, the top 12 things people checked into A&E for at Xmas…
Torn fingernail
Sore throat the patient had woken up with
Diarrhoea and vomiting
Four-month verruca
False nails needed removing
Ear ache
Ran out of asthma inhaler and needed a replacement
Wart on a finger
Hangover after a night out
Cold and sneezing
Pain in the toe (left A&E 15 minutes later to visit on-site bakery)
Hair extensions needed removing
Then you have people that have no regard for there own health, fitness etc and when they get ill just expect the NHS to fix them….the list goes on, add all of the above together and you have a pretty unsustainable model.
For the record, I think the NHS is bloody amazing, I know people that work for it, the nurses that looked after my Grandma and other elderly relatives in the last stages of their lives were amazing too, I have NOTHING but admiration for these people, I have (thankfully) hardly ever needed to use the NHS in my 50 years, but every time I have I’ve been looked after really well, so I am a fan, BUT, something needs to change, and for every article I read, like the one posted here, I hear lots of things about how terrible the situation is, but no ideas of what should be done to fix it.
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My God people, read what this is actually about… It’s for those that are denied NHS treatment due to it not being urgent, and so more of a patient choice. They have to offer other options, and My Choice is one of them and has been around for years.
[This list has NOT been around “for years”. This list is from the end of 2018. In 2013 there was just one procedure on the list that NHS patients have to pay for – varicose veins. The list will not doubt grow in the next few years to include more and more procedures we will have to pay for.
Cataract surgery is now on this new list. So are hip replacements. You say these are not urgent procedures?
If cataract surgery is not performed, a person can go blind. Literally.
If a hip replacement surgery is not performed, a person can be unable to walk. Literally.
Or perhaps you think poor people going blind and being unable to walk are acceptable?
I have one question. Are you a Tory? Or just one of the Tories’ gullible but very useful idiots?] – TOM
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Sadly – this isn’t true – and as much as I hate the term, is ‘fake news’/ absolute and utter bollocks.
NHS My Choice was originally created in 2013 to enable patients denied varicose vein procedures, the service has been significantly extended to include the large number of procedures no longer available on the NHS (PLCPs). As well as enabling affordable, convenient access for patients, this will enable the Trust to make use of spare capacity and will generate additional income for the hospitals.
If you read through the list you’ll see it’s not exactly life saving operations – more elective surgeries.
[Cataract operations are now on the list. So you think poor people not wanting to go blind is ‘elective’? It’s gullible, useful idiots like you who are allowing the Tories to sleepwalk us into the end of the NHS.] – TOM
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You’re also being very misleading in your replies. For example, essential hip replacement (such as that for the elderly) is still covered – but elective hip replacement (say for minor pain or sports injury) is not.
This list may be from 2018, but it’s existed in this form since around 2015 onwards.
Not a Tory and proud to work for the NHS!
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This is for “Chargeable Patients”, patients who are not entitled to NHS care. All healthcare systems will charge patients who aren’t entitled to free care, although it’s been argued that historically the NHS has been slack in enforcing this.
I’m usually impressed by what you say and how you say it, but this is sloppy and wide of the mark. The “very first price lists”? I’m pretty sure I’ve been seeing price lists at my NHS dentist for some years now (NHS dentists….remember them? Yes, the NHS providers who were given a license to print their own money)
No it’s not. It’s for all NHS patients. You and me and all British people.] – TOM
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The service you’re talking about was created in 2013. Why do you just make stuff up, Tom?
[Sigh. The list created in 2013 had just one procedure that NHS patients would have to pay for – varicose veins. Not particularly controversial. But the list has grown since then and now includes cataracts, hip replacement etc. This is new. And the list will no doubt grow to include more and more procedures no longer available for free on the NHS. At what point will gullible idiots like you start to notice you are being made to pay for NHS treatments?] – TOM
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It looks like Mr Pride jumped to a completely wrong conclusion about this price list and now he can’t admit he was wrong.
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Trim McKenna – Hip replacements for the elderly are still covered, yes, but the act of putting it on the list means that the criteria can be changed in the future.
If you believe that it won`t, and trust the politicians not to engage in “mission creep” in the near future, then I genuinely fear for the future of the NHS.
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Steve Lloyd — your claim is that the current position is such that it might lead to what the post claims is already true. That’s another way of saying that the post is a lie. It’s the same sort of lie that Farage, Johnson, Give, and the rest are so good at; it grossly exaggerates the current situation in order to whip up anxiety and outrage, and the excuse is that the liar believes that things might get that bad in the future.
It’s quite true that the Tories want to privatise the N.H.S., and there’s plenty of evidence that they’re well on their way to doing it. Posting that evidence would be great — posting this sort of lie serves only to cast doubt on the genuine evidence when it’s presented.
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I have done my research and this is fake news. The NHS “my choice” was introduced in 2013 due to PLCPs which is procedures classed by the NHS to be of “low clinical priority”, hence this gives the patient a very subsidised option to pay for their own treatment as it is not life threatening. This is not to isolate people who can’t afford it however it prevents people getting frustrated when they want a certain kind of surgery but can’t afford to go private, whilst the NHS denies them treatment due to it being a “low risk” or “no risk” case. It states very clearly on the NHS hospital trust website that this is not a private patient service and that patients who pay for this service will not be guaranteed a private ward. The person who wrote this article has indoctrinated it to spread fake news about our healthcare system.
Reference: NHS Warrington and Halton Hospitals Trust
https://whh.nhs.uk/mychoice
[SIGH. Read the link. The list in 2013 wasn’t a list because it included just one procedure – varicose veins. This new list (completed at the end of 2018) includes essential procedures such as cataract ops and hip replacements, Without a cataract op you can go blind. Without hip replacement you may not be able to walk. These are not ‘low priority’ operations. Unless you are happy to see poor peolle go blind because thy don’t have the money for the operation? The list will no doubt grow to include other procedures NHS patients will now have to pay for. It’s gullible idiots like you that are allowing the NHS to be sleepwalked into a private paying service like in the US. Wake up.] – TOM
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Saw this the other day when i was looking for a list of operations that my local CCG doesnt pay for. I was surprised just what they have decided are either cosmetic or of no proven benefit. Bloody disgraceful and wsy outside the original idea of the NHS.
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Should make those that come here from other countries pay not the bloody British we have paid into the NHS, you have given to everyone one else and for got those that were born worked and retired, absolutely disgusting, all PM’s should pay for it as well, imagration should pay for it none of them have paid nothing into it, another way to kill off the British people, your are all evil human beings, our doctors and nurses are one in a million and the government have abused them and those who want to do these jobs by taking every other nationality on they get treated better than us.
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Pretty sure this only applies to overseas citizens who are getting NHS treatment? The document mentions the “chargeable patients officer”. Chargeable patients already exist, they’re non UK citizens using the NHS.
I’m as concerned about NHS privatisation as the next person, but I don’t think this document is evidence of it.
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You seem like a very adversarial little man, Tom, and shady as hell.
All you seem to do in response to anyone questioning you, is to repeat the terms “useful idiot” and “tory”. Is that because you have nothing else to work with?
I am not a tory, and I love the NHS, but what I’m seeing here from you does nothing to convince me that you’re right. Have you really checked all the facts? Or did you just read up to your own satisfaction, and then proceed to emotionally manipulate people with this article?
I admit I know little about these things, but I know enough to sense when someone isn’t being entirely honest.
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Sorry, I’ve realised I was mistaken in thinking this only relates to foreign patients, I’ve just had a look at the “My Choice” page on the trust’s website and I see that this is actually aimed at patients denied treatments that are considered low clinical priority. However I still think this list doesn’t quite represent an example of creeping privatisation (which I totally agree exists and is a bad thing!), it seems more like an example of the effects of stretched NHS finances due to the chronic underfunding it’s experienced for years. Which is also a bad thing, but shouldn’t be conflated with privatisation!
[Thank you for the apology. But whatever you call this process of charging NHS patients at point of need, it’s bad and means we are seeing the end of the NHS. So STOP EXCUSING/DEFENDING IT] – TOM
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So 2013 is when it began, Whether Tom is right or not, do you not all feel that this is a big change for the NHS and makes it very easy for unethical people to modify that list and prices , and we all know there are entities out there more powerful than the NHS with that end goal in mind?
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Shocking. I can’t even get seen, crippling back pain from sciatica, not being investiigated to confirm thus is actually the problem. It’s forcing me down the route where I’m actually considering paying for mri.
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This is betrayal of the British people -all of them – at the deepest level. We already knew that the present apology for a government was lying through its teeth about keeping the NHS free at the point of service, but now it’s proven beyond doubt. Their honest response to the situation, like Johnson’s “f*** business”, is doubtless “If you want to stay healthy but can’t afford treatment, just don’t get ill”. No-one can say we weren’t warned….
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Just look at how women with Lipoedema get treated, even the worst cases don’t get surgery so they’re forced to live with painful crushing ever growing uncontrollable fat, can’t walk, and more likely develop more health problems due to lack of surgery. I suspect I have that condition but I can’t afford surgery nor am I popular enough for a gofundme. (Would need to raise £20000-30000ish atm)*Shrug*
So yeah, maybe the worst cases for hip surgery and cataracts won’t get refused today but it will one day. Over time there will be more nahs than yeses, excuses will be; your age, your weight, your unhealthy life style, you earn too much (but too little to afford the full cost of private surgery), or you haven’t earned enough, you scrounging freeloader etc.
If we don’t get rid of this now, the American system of “Go Fund Me” is what you’ll have to do but if you’re not popular you’ll have to live with the pain/go blind.
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NHS Choices has been around since 2013. This is a price list released in November 2018 to include procedures that have been classified as “low-priority” so not funded anymore.
They have had these price-lists since 2013 and include procedures never funded by the NHS such as cosmetic procedures unrelated to health.
It’s not privatisation as the services are in-house.
It IS an example of cuts to the NHS.
If we’re going to fight to save our NHS, we need to know where to stand rather than be distracted by someone dishonestly using Brexit to score political points and blog hits.
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Thin end of the wedge indeed.
This is just what happened to dental care.
16 years ago I had to pay for varicose vein removal due to non healing leg ulcers. The surgeon said that it was a high risk of losing my leg otherwise.
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Pile of shite mate nhs dont do vasectomy reversals ….i know cos i had to pay ….continue putt8ng out your bullshit fake news
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This is just scare mongering. Has anyone actually read the bottom of this list. What a terrible headline just to get attention.
At the bottom it states to contact the Chargeable Patients Officer. Chargeable Patients are ones that are not entitled to free NHS treatment, like tourists. This is not anything new at all and very misleading. This sheet is in relation to Chargeable Patients only. A UK resident is not a Chargeable Patient and this sheet was not leaked, it is common knowledge.
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My nephew had a hip replacement in a private hospital and didn’t pay a penny as the NHS had agreed that he needed the operation and couldn’t fit him in themselves.
Seems that this list is for people ineligible or wanting to jump the queue. All parties are committed to ensuring the NHS is free to the people who are entitled and the article is misleading and fake news.
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Here we go, folks! The first lists of Charges for Operations!
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This seems to be based in the Warrington area. How many other hospitals in other areas take part in this scheme? It seems to me that if you disagree with the consultant, you have the option to pay for the procedure you need if you have the means, using NHS hospitals, NHS staff, and NHS skills. I don’t think Aneurin Bevan or William Beveridge intended hospitals to be used in this way. We are but a short step away from NHS privatisation.
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This alarmist article shows nothing but poor research, Tom.
I guess just posting the price list with no context is easy pickings.
This document lays out under which circumstances these procedures are still covered: https://www.whh.nhs.uk/application/files/1515/4177/7487/PLCP__2018-19_FINAL_Policy_Document.pdf
I’ll save you the read and tell you that if it’s not a purely cosmetical reason or you’ve tried other recommended treatments and they haven’t helped, it’s still business as usual and you don’t pay.
I’m all for keeping a watchful eye on the government trying to privatise the NHS, but disagree that this is where to look.
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I worked in the NHS during a Labour Government and self funded operations were actively encouraged. Please make your way to the website whh.nhs.uk/mychoice as the trust have issued a statement presumably due to misinformation on social media. The statement on the related document available on the aforementioned site states ‘available at WHHFT as NHS procedures at no cost when NHS CCG eligibility criteria met’. At least represent the whole story rather than a version of and before you ask I am not a Tory but I am a responsible social media user.
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Have you read the comment on the Warrington and Halton NHS Foundation Trust website about their MyChoice service? It is not a price list for NHS operations, it is a price list for privately funding operations with the NHS hospital if a patient wants the procedure despite not meeting commissioned criteria. Why anyone would want a procedure done when they don’t meet the indications for it is anyone’s guess (a small number of procedures eg breast implant removal for peace of mind excepted), and this seems to be borne out by the fact that noone has used the service since it was incepted; in over a year. The service has now been suspended in any case.
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Hi,
Background: A and E Doctor of 10 years experience and apart from membership of my own Royal College have managed to pick up a Diploma from the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology along the way. I’m probably a Lib Dem if you really need to know my political leanings. Also I do no private work (bit hard in A&E).
I haven’t been through every procedure on the list but it looks to me that this is a list of interventions for cosmetic/aesthetic reasons or those with little or no evidence of benefit. For example dilatation and curettage is on the National Institute of Clinical Excellence’s “do not do list” because there is no good evidence that it works and there is potential harm.
So I’m 100% ok with the idea that the NHS doesn’t pay for treatments with little or no benefit and, no, I don’t feel this is privatisation.
Non essential procedures are decided upon by expert committee based on the best evidence we have.
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Firstly, yes, they want to privatise the NHS. Secondly, I’ll be among those who torch the Palace of Westminster when they do. Thirdly, if anyone takes exception to the conclusion drawn from this pricelist they are not, automatically, fascist scum. Now, this looks suspiciously like the latest round in an annual process, dating back at least to 2014, and always publicly available. It’s to do with the iniquitous, disgusting, downright evil (before you accuse me of being a Tory, too) internal market system … widely reported and largely excoriated everywhere … that the Tories introduced as a step towards privatisation. I suspect it’s got nothing to do with any “new” plan to charge the public which the msm is trying to conceal from us in cahoots with the establishment. The writer could have done some proper “in-depth research” by Googling “Nhs price list” like I did. This kind of conspiracy theorising is a major problem with “citizen journalism” and a contributary factor to the hate-filled miasma that is social media. And if you don’t think social media is hate-filled, just wait for the usual insults in the reply to this.
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God people are insufferable and will believe any old stuff they read on tintawebs. Political post if ever I saw one
NHS has always had cost lists- did you think operations were free??
NHS has always charged foreigners so- it would be sensible to know the price now wouldn’t it.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/health/help-with-health-costs/nhs-charges-for-people-from-abroad/
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https://whh.nhs.uk/about-us/news-events-and-features/latest-news/my-choicec-service
Doesn’t make as nice a headline though does it
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The list is for people who have these issues but it isn’t ESSENTIAL. I.E. if they’re in crippling in pain and can’t walk like you keep repeating, it won’t cost them. Also, when you say the mainstream press aren’t reporting it were you just deciding to ignore this article from the Mirror because it doesn’t fit your agenda? I hate the Tories but this whole “holier than thou” movement from the left is fucking embarrassing.
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Fucking hell. Reading your replies you are a pathetic man. Admit you got it wrong, you’re doing more damage to your cause
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Why has the date been removed and the title header on the so called list been deleted and adjusted to suit your agenda ?
The original shows a date of “November 18” and the header the title For the NHS by the NHS “for the WHH”
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You should all look up he word gullible, or stupid, or thick, or sheep……………….
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Hi Tom
Stop calling people idiots if you want to win them over.
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Seen this before someone has changed the doller sign for the pound sterling sign.
More fake news
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This has nothing to do with the Tories
Please do not carry on with this tripe
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Just in case it’s not already posted I’ll leave this link here so people can decide for themselves whether this is scaremongering or not..
https://whh.nhs.uk/about-us/news-events-and-features/latest-news/my-choicec-service
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So that means I don’t have to pay national insurance and I can then pay for private health insurance like America Then I would be paying for my health care ant someone who just arrives from another country
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This list is specific to Warrington and Halton Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust.
Many items on this list are not available on the NHS anyway, unless under certain circumstances e.g. Rhinoplasty, Breast Reduction, Hair Removal Treatments etc.
Here is an interesting article on it: https://nursingnotes.co.uk/patients-to-self-fund-low-clinical-priority-nhs-procedures/
Not saying it’s not a sign of things to come, I just think it’s important to report as factually as we can… lord knows social media and politicians lie enough!
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You are being misleading at best Tom. No NHS patients are being made to pay for NHS treatments. They have clarified this – please see the link below and read carefully. Fully agree that the public sector is getting a raw deal (and will probably continue to do so) but posting misleading or factually incorrect information can only fuel mistrust in those you aim to convince.
https://whh.nhs.uk/about-us/news-events-and-features/latest-news/my-choicec-service
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Citation please.
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I have an issue with the statement about the NHS ‘getting away with it’. It is not the NHS who decides how to find itself! The NHS is not complicit in this. The imposition of Clinical Commissioning Groups and funding restructures are government imposed.
I don’t see many lawyers, policemen, firemen, motoring organisations or restaurants doing stuff ‘for free’. Every pet owner using a vets knows how expensive treatment through insurance is, with premiums rising year on year and when you claim.
If you have no.funding you have no service. Simple as.
We allowed Jeremy Hunt to spread his poisonous ideas about running down the NHS before offering this model. We allowed our lifestyles to evolve so that pressure is put upon this service. The NHS is broken, but it is still.one of the best healthcare services in the world
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Print this in capital letters and put then on every wall/door/window in the parliament
And airport ?
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I think it’s fake news, , but it doesn’t mean it won’t happen! Lets face it, there are more important things to think about..i.e. Is it Boris or is it Hunt ! (not)!
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THE NHS IS BEING STEALTHILY SOLD OFF BY THE TORIES, those that say it’s “fake news” won’t be around in 10 years time to pick up the bill for your cancer treatment. Wake up people!
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Our magnificent NHS was established by a generation of humanitarian giants, with love, courage and a total recognition of the need for us all to help each other to have the best health care possible.
Tory cuts causing bed and ward closures, as well as creating deliberate shortage of doctors will eventually cause a revolution.
It may be a while for the under 60 year olds to give up on self-indulgent pursuits like sport and entertainment before they can find the guts to realise they have the full responsibility to take action themselves to protect and preserve our NHS from those with no heart who want to send us back to the dark-ages and Mack money out of the sick and frail
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It’s actually a scheme that’s been in place since 2013 to help those who are denied surgical enhancements or are low on waiting lists have a chance to pay privately at a reduced cost instead of waiting.
[(sigh) No it’s not. Read the link. It says it’s specifically NOT for jumping the queue. It’s charges for normal NHS treatment of normal patients. Please read things before commenting.] – TOM
https://whh.nhs.uk/about-us/news-events-and-features/latest-news/trust-launches-my-choicec-service-nhs-nhs
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To the person who thinks in the US people don’t pay “NI”, in the States yes they do. Over 17% of GDP is spent on healthcare in the US of which 9.8% of GDP is from the government and the remaining 8% is via private insurance. Ironically their government actually spends more on healthcare than ours does. But their system is incredibly expensive because it is fragmented. So at purchasing power parity they spend USD 9892 per person per year on healthcare whilst we spend USD 4192 and Germany spends USD5551. But we have more doctors per 1000 patients, and almost the same number of beds and the same outcomes. See https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/health_glance-2017-4-en.pdf?expires=1561117103&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=65D3F76C0858F8C72C6F10DE92A74B7A Their system is inefficient because the market does NOT work in healthcare. In other words I live in London so just because care in Newcastle, say, might be cheaper I can’t use that as I don’t live there. In the USA hospitals can charge what they like because there is no central purchaser like the NHS keeping costs down. There is a lot of research on this. As someone with a degree that was part Economics, the thing that offends me most about the Tories obsession with the free market is, it’s actually the least efficient way to deliver healthcare. European countries with centralised purchasing have the lowest costs and best outcomes. Fragmenting care into lots of private hospitals will mean worse care at higher cost.
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Glad to see context and background and full information lacking. Good luck on your hitting your head against a brick wall campaign. Though im sure you got the click bait you had hoped for this drivel.
[Dear Jon fact check. Here’s a lesson on how to use the internet. First of all have a look at the blogpost. You will see two sections of the text which are in a different colour and are also underlined. Move your cursor (that’s the little pointy arrow thing that moves about on your screen) over that text. You will notice it miraculaously changes to a little hand icon. Isn’t that nice? That means it’s what we call on the internet a ‘link’ (sorry for the technical terms). Now. If you click on this text, it will take you to another part of the internet – in this case the source, context and background you are looking for and mistakenly thought was lacking. Isn’t that clever? Got that? Good. Now fuck off.] – TOM
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understood these lists exist,but for those who could afford them,and enabling them to jump the NHS waiting lists
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I would draw your attention to the very small print under neath the chart. It says please contact if your procedure is not listed, for chargeable patients.
IE people who are not entitled to our free health care.
These are normally people from abroad who have these procedures done the do a runner fucking of without paying. Cost us the tax payers billions a year.
I would take this opportunity to advice people to read information very carefully, before spreading information that may not be truthful. !!!!!!
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Having lived in Kuwait for the last 20 years I know that it is not exactly uncommon for Kuwaitis to fly to the UK for treatment and then fly back before paying anything because they know that there is no real system in the UK to avoid this happening. Its called medical tourism and it is real and it happens. I hope this prevents it or at least allows the UK to get paid when it is being used by people that are not entitled to use it for free.
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Except this is a completely separate issue isn’t it? Measures to address ‘health tourism’ were introduced when the coalition were still in and it may or may not interest you to know that the number of people involved turns out to be tiny.
These are charges for actual NHS patients in the UK. Are you able to tell the difference between the two or would you like a grown up to explain it to you in more detail using words of one syllable?
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Tom, I think you have to be one of the most misinformed individuals I’ve ever had the misfortune to meet on the internet. You’re desperately backtracking on your initial error by falsely claiming that you’ve somehow managed to overturn a practice that has been ongoing in the NHS under labour and now conservative governments. Read and understand what is being offered by the trust before making kneejerk posts spouting factual inaccuracies. For those new to the post read all the comments below before replying. There is nothing new here. Patients who meet the clinical need for these operations (mostly cosmetic) will get them for free, the trust gives anyone the opportunity to self fund the procedures is they wish. I worked for the NHS under a Labour government at which time this was standard practice. You’ve been able to self fund treatment in the NHS for a long time in order to take yourself out of a waiting list and use nhs services rather than Bupa, Nuffield etc.
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@droffatsnosaj – do you have a source for that? Also, since when are knee and hip replacements ‘cosmetic’? I’d have thought anyone needing a hip or knee replacement (both on the list) met the clinical need for them meself?
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From the WHH website – very interesting (IMO) https://whh.nhs.uk/about-us/news-events-and-features/latest-news/my-choicec-service would appear that it’s not necessarily a localised issue?
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This is genuine misrepresentation of information. These are surgeries you would otherwise have to have privately and are being offered at a significant price reduction if you have them with the NHS. If the procedure is clinically indicated it is still funded and if it would not be routinely funded an individual funding request can still be filed. May I suggest you delete this post, focus on the genuine issues that are facing our NHS and next time do your research.
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Load of crap. Who the hell are ‘my choice’, I’ve never heard of them, my folks and friends ain’t heard of them. And none of us are idiots. You are though for sure. Where are your sources? Please post where you got the information from, and contact names so we can check to. Prove that the NHS even did this, until then, shut up calling people idiots.
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One of the standard tactics that the Tories use to soften up the population for their intended (and on-going) attempts to privatise the N.H.S. is to run down the service — in both senses. They run it down by trying to create problems for it, especially through under-funding, and they run it down by talking about its supposed shortcomings. This post set out to do their work for them — making “Tom Pride” little more than a useful idiot.
His desperate attempts now to justify his lying post serve only to make himself look weaker and sillier. He claims that, because it’s clear that the Trust aren’t doing what he claimed that they were doing, he’s therefore succeeded in changing their minds. This is like the old joke about sprinkling salt around as a way of keeping tigers away: “You don’t see any tigers, do you?”
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Where is Mr Corbin?!
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Be watchful. Big business sensession anot opportunity for a big killing.
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Of course there is a price list. Not everyone using the NHS is entitled to be treated free, apart from the need to cost treatments. Comparatively the NHS lines up well with Europe.
Working out what things cost does not prove any intention to “sell” the NHS but it does act as a useful tool to help show where resources are needed. It is ridiculous and “fake news” to imply that this means the Conservatives are planning to sell off the NHS on the contrary it shows that they can make sure that we are not a target for free health tourism.
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Click to access WHH_My_Choice_PATIENT_Procedure_and_Price_List_Nov_2018.pdf
Clearly not fake news all you have to do is google it x
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No more humans being allowed in this country. The NHS can’t cope with the amount of humans. We need to invest in the NHS service
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Loving Tom’s replies in-comment, especially the careful instructions on how to click a link, with now fuck off at the end 😀
(and thanks for pointing this out, friend on FB shared it.]
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-stops-plan-charge-16548975
News article here
Rather than just dissing this website
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Many NHS trusts augment their budget by offering private services alongside the NHS ones. This enables them to spend more money on the NHS patients. The scheme by this NHS Trust aimed to let patients choose to pay to access services that they would not be entitled to under the NHS. Stopping the scheme just means that now noone can access this care at all. Slamming hard working NHS staff trying to find ways through a time of funding crisis seems very cruel to me.
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You didn’t do anything to help when you sucked up to them.
Full of crap
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Why should the NHS provide “cosmetic” procedures like “ removal of breast implants @ £3k+“
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Even your update is incorrect Tom! The people who have commented that your post is ‘fake news’ are not the ‘idiots’; I’m afraid it is you who lack the rudimentary intelligence required to read the text of the policy you have posted.
You say ‘it is an attempt to make NHS patients pay for essential ops’ but that is drivel I’m afraid.
The procedures listed all have prerequisites that need to be met before being offered to the public (as is the case for most things treated by the NHS). Up until now people that did not have all of these prerequisites in terms of symptoms, quality of life, etc. Had 2 choices – pay privately or don’t have it. NHS choices is the NHS trust saying that people in this situation can pay a reduced amount and have the operation done in an NHS hospital instead of having to go to a private one or not have the operation at all.
Patients who meet the criteria for each operation listed in that chart would have the operation for free within the NHS as they always have done. This new initiative does nothing to impact that as this is still the case.
Rather than insulting those who don’t agree with you, using inflammatory language and showing clear bias (things you seem to suspect the mainstream media of doing, rather ironically) you would be better off reading things properly, giving an informed and unbiased account, and actually engaging with people instead of being overly self-righteous.
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A very worrying development. However, surely most hospitals have a tariff of charges for their private (non-NHS) patients/customers. It’s no stretch of the imagination to assume that, on top of the central funding the hospital recieves, the administrators would love to charge for every procedure. Why? Because the central funding is not enough. We already have to pay to park (including the staff in many cases), hospitals have to fund raise via charitable donations to pay for new kit and equipment. Any additional source of money is going to look attractive! We need to challenge the Government at every oportunity to prevent privatisation and for sufficient funding for the NHS. Also for proper funding for mental health services and social care. And stop any Government using our National Insurance payments for anything other than the NHS and welfare, for which it was collected. The current buch have misappropriated billions to offset the National Debt. The national debt they have more than doubled I the last 9 years with absolutely nothing to show for it!
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I think you have hit a nerve Tom. I have never seen so many trolls on your site before. I go on left wing sites which are regularly trolled and I know trolling when I see it.
The repetition of points which have been demonstrated earlier in the thread to be false is always a give away.
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Have you read the full information! This is for people who don’t meet the criteria for the NHS service, still want the procedure, but can’t afford to go private. It seems like a pretty reasonable option.
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If you Google “Chargeable Patients Officer” you will see this refers to overseas patients. Just saying…..
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To all those reposting this factually incorrect article, the NHS has allowed self funding of operations for decades, including when I worked for them in the late 90’s under a Labour Government. Go read the source information first and the disclaimer that this trust has had to post stating that all these procedures are available for free where clinically advised. Patients can elect to self fund if they wish to remove themselves from the waiting list but that’s choice not privatisation. All those people who are perpetuating this lie with such vitriol are giving the left wing a bad name.
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You keep saying this:
[If you think hip and knee replacement operations are inessential, try talking to someone who can’t walk because they need one. Or maybe you think walking is unnecessary?]
My father in law was in constant pain and couldn’t walk, he needed a hip replacement and it was supplied by the NHS within the 18 week target.
This is for people with lower priority mild arthritis where the hip replacement could reduce the pain but where the injury is not massively life changing. Like my hip, it hurts a fair bit but I can still walk 10 miles.
Sure, the NHS is moving toward privatisation and it’s Jeremy Hunt more than Boris Johnson you need to watch out for here, but this is actually a real positive for the public as the choice otherwise would be to go to a profit seeking private health provider, which would be a hell of a lot more expensive than these prices.
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@kipperwhacker, proof? I ran a private unit for a large NHS trust in the North of England, not sure what proof you need? Wage slips? Patient records? Names? You’ll have to take my word for it but as I’ve mentioned in previous posts, self funding and private care have been available under the NHS for decades, this is nothing new. Again, I have to stress that this happens under Labour and Tory Governments. I also need to clarify Tom’s point about anyone needing hip or knee replacement would have to pay, that’s a blatant lie. Clinical need, coupled with the success or failure of the operation, lifestyle choices (smoking, alcohol, high BMI) and post operative complications are all determining factors in whether a patient qualifies for a free procedure. Any patient considered for knee or hip replacement has to go through a long process of physio and possibly steroid injections first to alleviate symptoms. Only when all avenues have been exhausted will major surgery be considered and factors such as age and lifestyle (smokers, patients with a high BMI) plus the outlook of coping with major surgery and post operative rehabilitation are taken into account. Not everyone who has these surgical procedures gets any benefit from them and the pain reduction can be minimal. But most importantly, anyone who meets the clinical requirements will get the procedure for free.
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This IS fake news. This is the pricing for people who are choosing to have surgery or procedures but don’t need it or haven’t had approval from a specialist or doctor. The NHS has never covered these situations for free. And yes there are people who choose to have hip replacements even if their GP has told them not to worry about it for the time being. This is why the list is called ‘My Choice’ and has actually been around for years and years. Shame on you for trying to stir up even more hatred in this world.
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Meanwhile what is the real truth around Corbyn, at the moment he is putting me off voting labour when the time comes3
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I’m not convinced the trust were actually charging patients as I cannot find anything to confirm that is what they were doing. I believe they were trying to enlighten the public as to the cost of their surgeries and treatments.
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Sly move by the slitherin party.
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To those that are suggesting these are not medically necessary proceedures clearly dont understand the meaning of medically necessary.
People complain that the dwp is under strain there are people disabled by joint issues that could possibly return to the work place if they have those joints repaired/ replaced. If a women goes through the ordeal of a miscarriage she very well may need a D and C (dilatation and curettage) to prevent potentially fatal infections. Proceedures for menstrual bleeding, many women have such severe gynaecological conditions that they cannot function as a result.
If a lady has had to have life saving mastectomies, implants are not about cosmetics but about giving an already traumatized and sick person some degree of themselves back.
These are things that are serious medical issues.
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Thankfully, where clinically necessary, all these operations are available for free on the NHS.
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This must be doped and never brought up again
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“This is all totally ignored by the mainstream press of course.”
What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that “the MSM, boooo!” is entirely in the pockets of the Tory government? Even the Mirror? The Guardian? The Indy?
Stop fuelling this harmful bullshit idea – peddled by the likes of Donald Trump – that mainstream journalists are not to be trusted.
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Nah! This is just blatant scaremongering.
There have always been charges to those not eligible for NHS services like those from non-EU countries. They usually have insurance cover to pay these charges.
Tories are not considering this as an option for NHS patients. The NHS will always be free at the point of need unless Labour want to impose these charges.
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I was reading the categories this blog falls under:
Cynicism
Hopeless naivety
Pettiness
Sarcasm
Spite
Vindictiveness
And I thought, yep, just about sums the blogger up.
Threads like this give the left wing a bad reputation, something that’s already becoming toxic thanks to the pointless protest of throwing milkshakes and calling everyone who doesn’t agree with us nazi scum. Jonathan Swift once said ‘As the vilest writer has his readers, so the greatest liar has his believers; and it often happens, that if a lie be believed only for an hour, it has done it’s work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies and truth comes limping after it; so that when men come to be undeceived it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale has had its effect’
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No £ signs in front of the numbers, just at the top of the list, to soften the blow?🤔 How many MP’s will gain from this in payments or favours? 🤨 Nasty, greedy, uncaring ba$!@rds.
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this TOM guy seems like a prick
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Posted this to my facebook page, Vote of No Confidence in the UK Conservatives, and it’s been flagged as ‘Mixture Content’ and my page Amber warned on ‘Page Quality. Crazy…
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