Theresa May has been accused of ignoring news that NHS GP services have begun to charge for consultations.
In some parts of the UK, NHS patients will have to continue to wait four weeks for a seven-minute appointment with a GP unless they are prepared to pay £40 for a ten-minute phone consultation, £80 for a 20-minute face-to-face appointment or £145 for a 40-minute consultation.
The first roll out of this newly-privatised GP service has already been announced in Dorset – but only in the local press.
There has been no comment from the Conservative Party.
Surprise surprise …
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People really do need to wake up in this country, giving the Tories the benefit of doubt about their integrity, is like giving them the security code of your bank card and trusting them not to use it.
They have abolished the NHS and people still don’t know it, that’s why we need a Labour Government.
Over 700, 000 bankruptcies a year in the USA just for medical bills, and not one yet in this country, people are truly sleepwalking into oblivion.
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Where does the GP’s extra time miraculously come from if you pay??
Says it all doesn’t it.
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Can anyone tell me which areas of the country this applies to? The Tory supporters are bound to ask and I dearly want to have an answer!
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So far I have found “Dorset” – are there any more?
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Huffington Post:
” According to US bankruptcy court statistics, more than 1.5 million people file for bankruptcy every year. Most significantly, nearly 97 percent of bankruptcy filings are made by individuals, not by businesses.
Here are the top 10 reasons why people go bankrupt:
1. Medical Expenses
A recent Harvard University study showed that medical expenses account for approximately 62 percent of personal bankruptcies in the US.
Interestingly, the study also showed that 72 percent of those who filed for bankruptcy due to medical expenses had some type of health insurance, thus debunking the myth that only the uninsured face financial catastrophes due to medical-related expenses.
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Well said!
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Is this really true?
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When are we going to stop kowtowing to these so called ‘doctors’ who held us to ransom over the very creation of NHS, and have hijacked it again via THEIR CCGs.
Let’s get a few things straight:
* GPs are NOT employees of Our=NHS – they are Contractors to it.
* GPs are NOT part of the Charity Sector – they are Private businesses – SMEs
* Clinical Commissioning Groups CCGs, are NOT part of Our=NHS – they are run by GPs – Private companies
* The 210 Quango CCGs in England spend £70 000 000 000/year of Our=NHS’ budget (The total is only ~£110bn)
* These CCG Private Coys spend Our cash but REFUSE to allow us to appoint our lay NEDs to their Boards – they select their chums to speak for us.
* NHS England, after years of being warned, has finally closed some of the largest loopholes which were allowing NHS £££ to be filtered into businesses associated with CCG Board members. (Privatised for the second time.)
* Because GPs can’t even run their own Practices efficiently (Never mind the CCGs), NHSE is having to bail them out with £bns of GRANTS.
Back to the days of:
“You’ll have to wait at least a year – but I can see you next Tuesday in my Private clinic.”
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If they’ve got doctors laying around doing nothing so they’e available for private hire, how come they can’t shorten the NHS queue?
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@ Bill Kruse – May 8 5:32 pm
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GPs are already on ‘Private Hire’.
* They’re not employees of Our=NHS – they’re Private, profit-making, businesses.
* They’re Contractors to NHS England – they get paid a fee per patient on their ‘list’ if they ‘see’ them or not.
* There’s at least One GP per Practice who has paid time off to help run one of the 210 CCG Quangos – they spend £70 bn/year of Our=NHS’s £110bn budget between them.
* Some Metro areas which used to have ONE Primary Care Trust – PCT – now have THREE CCGs pretending to do the same thing, and on top of them they have
* 1 NHS England Board
* 44 STPs
* 50 Vanguards
* ? knows how may Admin people co-ordinating the paid contributions of the
~ Voluntary & Charitable Sectors
AND now the un-defined
~ Social Enterprises
which are springing up like maggots.
You may well ask where we, the Patients & Public (P&P) figure in all of this governance of Our=NHS.
We Don’t
Want to know more?
Visit: https://nhspublicvoice.wordpress.com/
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Utterly disgusted
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This is ONE practice in Dorset. Talk about Scaremongering!
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If this is true?….. We should all hang our heads in shame for allowing it to happen.. It’s time we showed this “shit corrupt government”.. It’s they that serve US?!… And find a way to bring them them too court n answer for the way they have stripped this country and its residents of the wealth that’s gone into the pockets of their cohorts… Evil EVIL!!.. And corrupt…
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This does paint a picture, mounting pressure on services, with the same number of GPs. My GP practice has had a 40% increase in registered people (you may ask where from ) and they have the same number of GP’s on the books. It doesnt take a genius to work out that the same resource + 40% more people – means it will take longer to see a GP
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Has sombody let some tories in the comments here? Attacking GP’s and spreading division. You stink of Tory, Aanton Mann
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Elizabeth Ward, That’s one too many for my liking. Don’t know if it’s a trial or there are more practices in the Country, however G.P’s shouldn’t be able to charge TWICE for their services.
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It has nothing to do with the NHS or the Government this is a charge by GP”s who are not part of the NHS for out of hours appointments.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3792857/Scheme-patients-pay-NHS-GP-slippery-slope-privatisation.html
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Beware of the Tories that Darren Barret has alerted us to, they are playing games with peoples minds, Doctors in out of hours are virtually non existent, Gloucestershire had the gold standard for out of hours care, people from around the world used to come and visit us, to see how it was done, today the service is non existent due to lack of GPs. The CCG has also privatised provision, which might explain why we have trollies blocking the gangways in A&E.
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You are scaremongering and misrepresenting the facts. This one practice has decided to devote some of it’s time to “private practice” this is not an uncommon situation and has existed since the 80’s. They still provide free NHS services, but the option is there to “go private” and get preferential treatment. There is no indication that this is a Tory party dictat, just one practice with greedy bastard doctors.
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Your own Doctor cannot charge you. Only another GP can see you as a private patient. This has been the case for long before the Tories go into power this time.
I have paid for a private doctor to get a prescription for a drug that is not available on the NHS and then paid for that drug at market rates. This was around 2003 when labour was in power…. This is not a new Tory privatise the NHS gimmick.
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Of course your ‘own’ GP can charge you.
Next time you go into the Practice, look around near the receptionist’s position and you’ll see a long list of items and procedures which are only available from ‘your’ GP on a Private, fee payable basis.
By the way, GPs are not Doctors in the true sense of the word.
It’s an ‘honorary’ or ‘traditional’ mode of address – much the same as ‘professor’ is used in US(A) for teachers and lecturers.
It’s interesting that Ms Cumings, NHSE’s Chief Nursing Officer, and Board member, refers to herself as Professor Cumings – when in fact she’s merely a ‘Visiting professor’.
She also claims to have a couple of ‘Doctorates’ – these are ‘Honourary’ – but that’s not mentioned in her case.
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Daren Barratt said:May 8, 2017 at 7:20 pm
Has sombody let some tories in the comments here? Attacking GP’s and spreading division. You stink of Tory, Aanton Mann
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Sorry, cur.
Did i forget my place and criticise my betters, cur?
Should i accept everything my GP says as gospel, cur? Even when all the symptoms say that there is something seriously wrong, cur?
Is your spelling and level of analysis really that bad, or are you just pretending for effect, cur?
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What utter shit. Shame on you for posting such lies. This link is a disgrace. A GP in Poole decides to set himself up as a private GP as well, just like anyone can do an engineer, a journalist, a teacher, and charge private patients for a service. NOTHING to do with the NHS, NOTHING to do with the Tories (or any other party) and nothing to do with the government. This article is just bullshit, i really thought you were better than that.
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This is electioneering scaremongering lying bullshit. The truth is in the newspaper article not the bullshit this guy has twisted from it. And some of you seem to be believing him! I worry about this country not because of the liars, because of those taken in by the liars.
The surgery is setting up a private practice and these are the fees to be charged BY THE PRIVATE PRACTICE. These are NOT CHARGES BEING SET BY THE NHS. The inference in this post that these are NHS charges is completely wrong and misleading, it is electioneering fake news bullshit.
Private practices have been around ever since doctors were invented! There is nothing new about them. Mr Pride fails to mention this. He also fails to mention that the current NHS service operates a same day walk in service and will continue to do so. The doctor setting up the private practice is a businessman who is seeking to start a new business … that’s all it is. And the newspaper article states “current rules ban GPs from charging their own patients” so he will not be allowed to force patients to pay!
FFS stop believing everything you read and start questioning what is said.
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Could you reference this? What’s your source?
[Links in the article] – Tom
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All I can say here in the USA is that I hope my country adopts the sane policy of universal healthcare as a basic human right before you in the UK lose it.
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This has nothing to do with the doctors or GP’s.
This is the government enforcing this.
This is what the conservatives want a private healthcare. They are selling our NHS off.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/08/two-tier-nhs-gps-allow-patients-pay-jump-the-queue-bournemouth
Its in the guardian news… remember this has already happened to dentists
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If this is true there Will be rIoting and anarchy because it will put doctors completely out of reach for the majority ONLY THE WELL OFF WILL BE ABLE TO GET HELP. it is completely wrong and I for one will fight.
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Do you see how there going to do quietly the uk will throw down tools if you take away then try and a the country
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Bridgette said:May 8, 2017 at 6:53 pm
“…. My GP practice has had a 40% increase in registered people (you may ask where from ) and they have the same number of GP’s on the books….”
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I accept your invitation:
(The Health Service and associated ‘medical’ practice in UK is ‘Evidence Based’. That means that what some call the ‘Scientific Method’ applies.
So here are some necessary points of clarification & verification, please.)
1.0 You claim that ‘ My GP practice has had a 40% increase in registered people … ‘.
1.1 From here have these newly registered people ‘come’?
1.2 What is the (verifiable) source of your claim, both in terms of numbers (+40%) and ‘origin’ of the people to whom you refer?
1.3 Over what period of time has this claimed increase occurred?
1.4 Why, if matters are as severe as you claim, did the Practice not apply for an emergency pause in registration from ‘their’ CCG?
1.5 If such a ‘pause’ was applied for, and refused, what reasons were given by the CCG?
1.6 If 1.5 is so, was an appeal lodged with NHS England?
1.7 What actions have been taken by ‘your’ PPG?
1.8 What is your connexion with this practice e.g. patient, partner, locum, management, other (please state), etc?
Thank you.
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source?
[Holding your mouse firmly in one hand, direct the little arrow on your screen – known technically by web experts as ‘ the cursor’ – over the red underlined words in the article – known technically as ‘links’ in internet parlance – and press down firmly on the left hand button of your mouse] – Tom
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Oh dear it’s so difficult to see my GP and even if I do there is a lot of clock watching what used to be a fantastic practice is now hard to use Drs are fatigued the only blessing is the front of house staff the change over the past few years is huge
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Q 1….. Why is there a ‘CRISIS’ in the supply of appointments to see an at least half decent GP ?
A) The population of England has quadrupled in the last 7 years
B) The population of England is in worse health now because of the Tory cuts to NHS
C) The population of England has become the biggest set of workshy B’tds in the World.
D) The BMA and their chums have kept the lid on the number of places in Med schools to enhance their hold on their position in society and their INCOME.
E) Other – please state.
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Stop posting smart comments and do something
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Dear, VINCENT CAMPBELL
To whom is that comment directed, dear boy?
What would YOU suggest be done, and by who to whom, pray?
Toodle Pip.
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Nice try mate but this article is a complete fabrication, there’s a private practice in the same location as the NHS GP – big whoop. This is not the same as the NHS charging for appointments. The option to not use the NHS and pay has always been there but the NHS GP is always free.
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@ STEVE J
When will you Pirateers get it into your vocabulary that treatment/s provided by Our=NHS is/are not FREE?
We, the Public & Patients (P&P) pay for it every day via taxation**.
Our=NHS is Free At the Point of Use/Need.
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** The vast majority of us do, except those who dodge taxation in UK so that they can save up enough to buy Our=NHS when the Tories put it ALL up for sale.
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Well it’s cheaper than I expected it to be…
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@ STEVE J
What is it about the truth that you, and your band of Privateers, can’t understand?
That you refuse to come to terms with reality is your thing.
That you keep broadcasting your lies as fact is UN-acceptable.
Read the following, three times a day, before eating.
* GPs are NOT employees of Our=NHS – they are Contractors to it.
* GPs are NOT part of the Charity Sector – they are Private businesses – SMEs
* Clinical Commissioning Groups CCGs, are NOT part of Our=NHS – they are run by GPs – Private companies
* The 200 Quango CCGs in England spend £70 000 000 000/year of Our=NHS’ budget (The total is only ~£110bn)
* These CCG Private Coys spend Our cash but REFUSE to allow us to appoint our lay NEDs to their Boards – they select their chums to speak for us.
* NHS England, after years of being warned, has finally closed some of the largest loopholes which were allowing NHS £££ to be filtered into businesses associated with CCG Board members. (Privatised for the second time.)
* Because GPs can’t even run their own Practices efficiently (Never mind the CCGs), NHSE is having to bail them out with £bns of GRANTS.
Got it?
Good.
Now, stop what you were doing – it’s not nice to spread lies.
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Let 8th June be the end of May.
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Fake news
I’m a GP and have not heard anything about this…obviously not a reputable news site!
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not heard anything about that
maybe it is made up
but – my lawyer charges around that for reading an email in 2 minutes — if it is happening the GP’s involved are clearly not in it to make a profit —
if you are a gp and want to make a profit – train to be a lawyer
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Joe blogs said:May 9, 2017 at 6:13 pm
Fake news
I’m a GP and have not heard anything about this…obviously not a reputable news site
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Well, you have now.
“Obviously” you need to get out more?
Do keep up.
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” … my lawyer charges around that for reading an email in 2 minutes … ”
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Slow reader, your lawyer?
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Mr Pride – You have got this totally wrong. Either you can’t read your own source, or you are deliberately trying to generate fake news for political purposes.
THIS IS NOT AN NHS SERVICE (which would be illegal) it’s just a GP who has decided to set up his own private clinic for profit.
Your statement “NHS GP services have begun to charge for consultations” is FALSE and I think you owe it to your readers to correct it.
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Are you people getting paid for all these denials?
It’s getting to look like Spam to my malware checker.
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There are ads on the London underground for the same service, similar rates, so it’s not just Dorset. I need to get back and photograph them, as I didn’t quite believe it. Saw them last week. They say something like, No time to go to your GP? See our doctor at you chosen time for x ££. I bet those clinics have NHS logos on too – so much of the NHS is already private, but the companies use the NHS logo so people don’t realise this.
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A practice in North Tyneside is already doing this.
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Pam I – Private clinics are NOT permitted to use the NHS logo. You absolutely should take a photo of it and complain to the relevant authorities and your MP. There is a clear legal division between NHS and private health services.
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Taxes higher for NHS doctors that have private work and pay it back in to the health service
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Aanton Mann:
What do you mean the population of England has quadrupled in the last 7 years? That would mean that there are over 240 MILLION people living in England at the moment. Don’t be ridiculous!
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Odoni, dear fellow, that is what is called a Multiple Choice Question (MCQ).
It’s an analytical device (‘test’) used by some in their version of the teaching and learning process.
It might be noticed that in its context:
* The Question is correct
* One of the given answers may be correct
* There is an option for YOU, and others, to write in your own response. E)
Some less naive readers may also detect an element of satire.
Toodle Pip
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Pam Isaid: May 9, 2017 at 11:02 pm
There are ads on the London underground … I bet those clinics have NHS logos on too – so much of the NHS is already private, but the companies use the NHS logo so people don’t realise this.
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Exactly.
Week by week the lines between Our=NHS and contracted Private, Profit Oriented Providers is being purposely blurred by this prostitution of the NHS logo.
For years, Spivs made a fortune out of tweaking their Company names and online addresses to con people into using their heavily charged for services instead of the No-charge official Government/State systems
.
Eventually, this rip-off was curtailed.
Now the Government, via NHS England, is selling the right to pretend to be part of the State Health Service to another set of Profiteering Privateers.
Is there nothing at which these people will stop in their quest to squeeze money from even the sick and dying?
With the Tories in power:
” I warn you not to be ordinary. I warn you not to be young. I warn you not to fall ill. And I warn you not to grow old.” (Kinnock, N. 1983 )
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In other words, you didn’t know what ‘quadrupled’ means, and are trying to cover yourself by pretending it was a joke.
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Is this true???cind
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More GPs are opting out anyway. Local service in Richmond. £95 first consultation and £80 walk in or £40 by phone.
http://richmondpractice.co.uk/Fees.html
Gives Hunt an orgasm
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I am sick of bullshitting Tories lying that services are not being privatised in the NHS.
Here is a statement of fact where out of doctors have been privatised:
“Commenting on the new short term contract, Accountable Officer, Mary Hutton said:
“This was a strong bid and we are keen to work with Care UK to ensure high quality, safe and timely out of hours services which fully meet the needs of our patients during this period.
We know from patients that what they really want is joined up care and treatment with the best possible co-ordination between services. Care UK will work in close partnership with our other local providers to achieve this.”
Full story here:
https://www.gloucestershireccg.nhs.uk/ccg-announce-preferred-provider-for-the-primary-care-out-of-hours-service/
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Martin Odoni said: May 10, 2017 at 10:17 am
In other words, you didn’t know what ‘quadrupled’ means, and are trying to cover yourself by pretending it was a joke.
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Odoni, dear chap.
In your words ” Don’t be ridiculous!”
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I’m not being ridiculous, I’m calling your bullshit. I simply don’t believe you when you claim you were being satirical, because there’s nothing recognisable on this thread or in the article that you were satirising, and the other options in your list weren’t noticeably satirical either. The way the options were worded was arrogant, cynical, patronising, smug and anti-intellectual, sure, but that just makes them the same as everything else you’ve posted.
So no, it wasn’t satire. You either got the word wrong, or you’re astonishingly bad at arithmetic, and now you’re trying to pretend it was a joke to hide your embarrassment.
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This is disgusting!! What has happened to freecare from cradle to grave for ALL. What of those millions who have chronic health conditionS , and who through a sense of values and work ethic, struggle each and every day to stay in work and not claim benefits – and who struggle to make ends meet; or those even in employment wheres annual salary increase does inot in any way keep up with inflation, and they find themselves cannot survive without help from Foodbanks, Shame on you Mrs May, and on your underhand government that are creating a two tier system for health care behind everyone’s backs. This leaves me speechless… but not for long!! I will be spreading the word as far as I can – and I hope others will join me, and your sordid little secret will not. E secret for long!!!!
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Martin Odoni said:
” … bullshit, arrogant, cynical, patronising, smug and anti-intellectual, …”
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‘Ad hominem’, old chap.
A tactic eschewed by all but those who are immature and lacking in firm foundations for their arguments.
Why, in Transactional Analysis terms, do you insist on cleaving to the ‘Child’ to my Parent?
Do concentrate on your vast range of self-publicizing ‘blogs’.
Or are you gaining financial advantage from your parasitic interventions in others publications?
Chin, chin
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Aanton Mann – I like your style! But shooting Odoni fish in a barrel is easy. Shooting Pride fish without getting your messages deleted and your logon blocked is HARD!
I was just wondering, but why did you say?
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Bottom line here is you’de have to be pretty nieve to not know the tories intend to charge patients of the nhs as much as they can to pocket the national insurance contributions as tax to pay off Blairs (our) loans .The poster that wrote ”blurring the lines” is about as spot on as it gets to all political agenda parties of westminister.
The truth is a two tier country ,down from a three tier one was an overall inprovement over the class system over the last 100 years.The only problem this country has is the way blur is implied to the masses (media) as a ”we are doing it for good” when obvious also its not always the case .Fine examples are Thatcher and Blair who decided to add ”doing it for our own good” then sneezing behind their hands.
Easy peasy answer is all become GP’S or MP’s, then we can all get rich whilst sitting on our arses at everyone elses cost and pretend its a job,of course we need a few earners like engineers ,surgeons and the such to get ill or fed up, to bleed dry of course ,but hey 🙂
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“By the way, GPs are not Doctors in the true sense of the word”
That sentence confused the heck out of me. Please define or describe what you understand to be a doctor “in the true sense of the word”.
N.B. I am a hospital-based doctor working for the NHS who is genuinely intrigued by this.
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Perhaps a doctor in the true sence is someone who can actually cure a problem hands on like a surgeon .A GP perscribes drugs or makes appointments to see a doctor (in the true sense) if the drugs dont work.
A knowledge of symptons and treatments (gp) a new heart a (doc)
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or ,a list of symptons ,treatments and doctors (gp)
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or a fitter isnt a mechanic in the true sense of the word.
a footballer doesnt play for england in the true sense of the word footballer lol
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This is a brand new private clinic in Dorset. If people are willing to pay then why not? Those that don’t will still have their own GP.
The left have an awful lot to answer for scaremongering about the nhs. It’s one of the main issues it faces the fact it’s so called supporters are willing to use it as a political football at every turn.
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It’s more or less what happened with dentists that was all NHS now you’d be lucky even NHS charged 60 for an emergency consultion Blaby ward.
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