Remember the story a couple of months ago about a homeless man – Mark Collins – who helped a desperate young woman when she was stranded in Euston overnight after missing the last train home:
Homeless man steps in to help girl left stranded after missing her train home
It was a such a touching story, thousands of people donated money – £13,000 to be exact – to help Mark get back on his feet.
But amazingly, Mark still hasn’t seen any of the money yet.
Mainly because a homeless charity working in the area – Safer Streets – recommended the money should be withheld from Mark and given to a homeless charity like themselves instead. On the basis that:
“Giving large amounts of money directly to someone with support needs could have been harmful”.
Safer Streets is a project run by a charity called Change, Grow, Live. Which until recently was called Crime Reduction Initiatives. Whose fat cat CEO pays himself an eye-watering £180,000 a year.
So to be fair, it’s no surprise the charity is desperate for cash.
Having to pay out that kind of money to their directors every year.
West England said:
“So to be fair, it’s no surprise the charity is desperate for cash
Having to pay out that kind of money to their directors every year.”
– which can be repeated for increasing numbers of charities, especially the smaller ones that have more assets than their size would suggest to those unfamiliar with how charities function as corporate bodies and unfamiliar with how charities can be run decently and as their founders wished.
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aaagreenman said:
Post the Blessed Welfare state, Charities and other Voluntary agencies found their place filling in the gaps which the Welfare state was slow to recognize, or wasn’t prepared to recognize at that time.
As those functions were absorbed into the State sector, those ground breakers moved on to new frontiers.
Now the movement has been captured by Central Gov’t as a cheaper option to employing staff on standard public service contracts.
Jobs which were once part of Local Government have been hived off to this subsidised sector, the public servants sacked, with some ending up doing their old jobs as WorkFare compulsory volunteers.
What else would one expect for a CEO in this growth industry but to be paid 30 pieces of silver.
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mili68 said:
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mili68 said:
As the CEO said “giving large amounts of money to someone. . .(can) be harmful” and he is a prime example!!! The need for greed is alive and well and living in the many fat cats!!
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creatorsnotconsumers said:
Seems to me that the 1094 supporters could each visit their local plod and report misappropriation of funds, which last time I checked is a crime.
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Cthulhu said:
You should read this. http://dpac.uk.net/2016/04/scope-endthebullshit/ Scope is no better! None of the charities can see an inch past the big buck signs in their eyes! We should all get together and crowd fund adverts warning Joe public of their collective dishonesties!
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jay said:
How is this legal? It sounds a lot like theft.
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Jessica Triana said:
Shameful. It IS theft.
If giving the money direct to him is possibly harmful then should have acted as trustees. Help him spend it wisely so he can get himself back on his feet: a deposit for a flat and a few months rent up front, clothes for interviews, courses to retrain… it isn’t difficult.
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eiglas said:
The Salvation Army is the best charity for helping peeps down on their luck. Have a look at what their CEO salaries himself – the last time I looked it was £13,500 pa, although it may have gone up a little in the interim.
A charity with integrity and still run to the founder’s pro-forma.
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creatorsnotconsumers said:
Jessica, no they should not have acted as trustees, they have no moral, ethical or legal right to intervene. Mark Collins is not some pathetic lesser life form, he is a sovereign human being, as he has already amply demonstrated, but if he chose to piss this freely given public generosity up the wall, that is his decision and no one else’s business.
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A6er said:
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What right do they have in having a say in asking that this crowdfunded money be with held from Mark Collins?
Safer streets should be charged with a crime of theft if they do get this cash, it’s been donated to Mark himself, not them.
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Richard Eastell said:
Eiglas, the Salvation Army is great – if you’re not gay, a victim of domestic violence, someone who has dependency problems or on Workfare. There have been cases of the SA demolishing unused SA property rather than let it be used as a squat by homeless people. The SA help, but only by wanting to control, just like the charity bosses in this case. The money was donated to Mr Collins and if the charity takes then they should (quite rightly be charged with theft/misappropriation of funds.
https://libcom.org/library/starvation-army-twelve-reasons-reject-salvation-army
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Cheryl Mcculloch said:
I don’t care if he pisses every penny up the wall! The money was meant for him! How dare they!!?
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peter wyatt (@southerneruk) said:
This nothing new about those at the top in Charity’s taking big wage, Its been happen for at lest 30 years to my knowledge. Why do you think all these Royals and Famous people head charity’s for, it because of the money they get for do it. Princess Diana was one of the biggest earners in a Charity wage.
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footytipper said:
I have written them an e-mail streetsafe@cgl.org.uk informing them that I will report them to the police if they fail to give Mark the money raised. Can you keep us up to date with what’s going on please Tom?
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sharon mcdowell said:
Y is it dangerous to give in one lump sum its k for the charity to take it in a bulk ITS there for this young man to get him bk on his feet 👣 put it in a funding for him and give him weekly you’re just a corrupt money grabbing their who wud rather use the mney for iyourself
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jaypot2012 said:
This is theft! No ifs, no buts. The money was raised for Mark Collins alone. How dare a “charity” come along and take it and say that it should not go to the one person it was meant for!
Please report this as theft.
Tom, I’m in Scotland and will spread this everywhere I can. Am I able to contact my local police station and report this or does it need to be done in England? I know our justice system is different and we only have the Police Scotland instead of being split into certain areas so I’m not sure they would be able to do anything but I can certainly try.
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Robert James said:
Crowd funding is needed for legal action against streetsafe. We need to get a petition going so legal experts can take this case to trial.
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untitled said:
As someone who’s been homeless, I understand why just handing him a lump sum of over £10k might do more harm than good. For a start it stops him getting social security – JSA or ESA, or Housing Benefit – which is a requirement for most charitable support. Secondly actually yes, there’s a risk he’d spiral into full blown substance abuse. There’s a risk, especially if he’s vulnerable and not supported, that he would be exploited by other people in his social circle.
Actually yes, I think there might be good reason to go a little more carefully. That said, I also don’t necessarily trust that the charity would be the best organisation to support him and administrate the money. I don’t trust charities that have a corporate style, and pay their CEO’s that much.
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Nick said:
in my experiences charities are never what they seam’ this money should have been placed in a bank account in his name so that when this man when back on his feet could receive it
the charity has broken the law or whoever has that money broken the law and those involved will be arrested at any point by the police subject to mark Collins making a complaint to the police
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Alison Townley said:
The cash doesn’t have to be given directly to him, but it was given for him, and should be spent on him.
It could be used to pay a bond on a flat, for furniture, household goods and clothing, and to pay his rent until his benefits are sorted,and whilst he seeks employment.
And/or if he has other issues, like substance abuse or mental health problems, it could be spent on getting him some professional support with that.
It should be spent on him specifically, on his needs , on whatever will help him get his life back on track. £13,000 is a drop in the ocean to a homeless charity, it’s a life changing amount of money, spent wisely, for this young man, and he deserves that opportunity.
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Sickofvulnerablepeoplebeingscrewedover said:
This money was given, by donators, for Mark Collins. It is not, therefore, anyone else’s business or money but his! How dare anyone, charities included, hijack this and attempt to steal from Mark in such a public manner. This is disgraceful and shows how the most vulnerable in our society are screwed over every day of the week! This has to stop. Mark could turn his life around with that amount of money. He did a good deed and people paid to give this man a second chance. Let him have his money you greedy, thieving parasitic organisation!
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Sara Ahmed said:
The charity Safer Streets didn’t take the £13,000, so it’s a mystery why they’re being pilloried for it. This blog also says that the homeless man, Mark Collins, didn’t get it (though the link isn’t working). The only apparent answer is that the ‘stranded woman’, Nicole Sedgebeer, who owns the JustGiving page which raised the money, has kept it.
The sad truth is that the authorities will now think that Mark Collins has £13,000 in cash, so he will lose all his benefits.
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mili68 said:
Perhas Mark Collins should be asked what he’d like to do with HIS money? He may want to help others like himself in his unfortunate situation; he may wish to donate to a charity himself; he may want to give it to his children; who are we to dictate what he does with it, and why hasn’t he been asked??!!
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Norrie said:
“Homeless charity blocks money donated by the public to homeless hero”
How???????
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Nick said:
well as that is that is theft Sara it will be up to Mark Collins to go to the police so they can investigate as to where that money has gone
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Sara Ahmed said:
Nick – Actually no. If it’s an online fraud the police will just tell you to report it to ActionFraud.
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Nick said:
thank you Sara 🙂
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Lyndsey watson said:
Its nothing to do with the charity if someone or in this case alot of people want to donate money to this man. Maybe this is the kick start he needs to get a roof over his head and starting a new life for himself and thwy are trying to stop it!! Maybe your CEO should take a good long hard look at himself 180000 a year hes at it no wonder the “charity” needs money but they have no right withholding funds that was raised specificly for him.
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Terry Davies said:
The CEO needs to be dismissed for aiding and abetting theft from Mark Collins. misappropriation of funding for such a salary is also likely as clearly its misusing donations, and tax payers money used to support streetsafe.
finally streetsafe as an organisation are remiss in not maintaining the best interests of Mark, thereby likely ti be contravening local council byelaws and marks human rights.
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Dominique Payne said:
I sent some because I wanted to help him – not to fill the pockets of some damn charity CEO. I am unbelieveably pissed-off!
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Terry Davies said:
I believe its disgusting the young man is not given the donated monies.
perhaps clarifying what donations were made, how they were made, and whose bank account they are in now will be useful.
streetsafe is to my recall the charity who blocked access to the money donated.
Unless the young man mark has signed to authorise this it would seem worth seeking guidance from a CAB who can provide details of legality and information as to what steps can be taken by Mark Collins to gain access to his windfall.
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Peter Menellis said:
Well sure its been put aside for next years salary like many major charities do.
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violetdragonlady said:
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If I donate money for something I expect it to go to where it was stated. How can this ‘Charity’ and I use the term loosely, dictate how the money is spent?
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Terry Davies said:
how did you donate ?
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violetdragonlady said:
Reblogged on https://wordpress.com/post/thediplomaticdemocraticdragoness.wordpress.com/86
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violetdragonlady said:
I didn’t donate this time, I said IF I had.
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Sara Ahmed said:
Some clarification for a few readers:
1) All money (minus fees) paid to a JustGiving appeal is transferred to the bank account specified by the owner of the ‘appeal’. In this case it’s apparently a person named Nicole Sedgebeer.
2) If Nicole Sedgebeer has not given any money to Mark Collins then it would seem to be a prima facie case of fraud.
3) This fraud has nothing to do with any charity, in spite of what Tom Pride says.
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William Ford said:
At least let him have an RFID Free Wallet so that any money that he has can be kept hidden from Millitary Intelligence as he passes by –
https://supporters.eff.org/shop/rfid-blocking-wallet-card-sleeves
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Kathryn said:
Absolute disgrace!!!
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Mr. Militant Negro said:
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Damien said:
Scum sucking fucking lowlife, stop paying yourselves more than expenses, your a fucking charity and give the guy his money you absolute twatting lowlife
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Allison Gosling said:
so wrong on every fucking level…you ain’t no charity
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Kingfisher (@OccupyTeaTent) said:
i was just looking into this today, can someone settle something in my mind and tell me where the 24/7 cafe within walking distance of euston actually is?
all the publicity from this seems to have passed them by. . does it actually exist?!
nicola sedgebeers twitter seems hardly used.
issues of giving him that money may include, not having a bank account, or ID to get a bank account?
but i really want to know which cafe it was.
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Mark Owen said:
The money raised was for the guy not the charity so if it’s not handed over he should phone the police and have them done with theft
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Philomena said:
It’s his money it was donated to him so he has the right to revive it I say get a Solicitor and Sue them that’s theift robbing scum
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Rachaelb said:
I gave to this cause, the cause was Mark. I hope this charity can be stopped from taking what is not theirs. Greed is NOT good .
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Anon said:
I disagree with the homeless charity safer streets, the money was raised for mark collins and not the charity. As a homeless person who has now been taken off the streets by a good samaritan, I know from experience that money that goes to so called homeless charity’s doesn’t ever reach the homeless in need. It goes toward there fucking holidays. This story has made me sick to my stomach and if the charity don’t want bad publicity, I hope they see scence and let mark Collins have the money that was raised for him
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ebrown4296@msn.com said:
This is so wrong, the money was donated for MARK, Not the charity. The cash should be used to benefit him, a deposit on a Wee flat and rent for six months with some money for living each week, get him sorted with benefits, help to find a job, support him to do all these things….turn his life around! I’m tired of hearing that these charities with their fat cat bosses take control!
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Andrew swift said:
This was raised by public for Mark not a charity give it to him or give it back to people who then could give him it direct
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John Head Strong said:
Once, many years ago, myself and a group of frineds squated a disused salvation army hall, during a meeting with them one of them said “Homelessness is our biggest business” I replied it was our situation.
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Sara Ahmed said:
Dear Mr Pride
You have created the false impression that a charity has stolen the £13,000 donated for Mark Collins or otherwise prevented him from receiving it.
You should either justify your headline “Homeless charity blocks money donated by the public to homeless hero” or retract it.
Take a look also at https://www.facebook.com/Helphomelessmark/timeline which has fallen strangely silent.
[Dear Ms Sarah, I said ‘blocked’ not stolen. You should either justify your comment or retract it. Blah blah blah] – Tom
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J Waghorn said:
Disgraceful & whiffs of fraudulent charity; CEOs salary is downright a slap in face for those charity set up to help. Why is our bloody government allowing these loopholes to defraud genuine the public. Hope Marks real compassion is recognised & he us given a real
Opportunity to get his life back on track. This article made me very angry!
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Sara Ahmed said:
Mr Pride
You are wrong yet again. No charity blocked the £13,000 of donations as they have no powers to do so, and you have provided no evidence that they did.
The proceeds of a JustGiving.com appeal are ENTIRELY controlled by the owner of the specific appeal, in this case Nicole Sedgebeer. Read their web site if you seek to deny it.
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hayley said:
this has made me sooo angry! that money was meant for mark and mark alone!!! he was donated that money from people who was touched by his selfless act helping that young lady i say he deserves every penny of that £13.000 how dare they hold it i carnt even begin to amagine how he is feeling and to say its not safe for him to have what a load of billshit!! he can choose in which anyway he pleases to spend it! give it him you money grabbing bastards and dont you use his vunerability on keeping hold of it for yourself! 😠😠😠
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Nick said:
Nicole Sedgebeer.has i believe having read her page is making contact with a charity as to how best get mark back on his feet ?
it will be down to Nicole Sedgebeer on how this money is distributed and hers alone
my dealings with charities over the past 40 years have never been what they seam so there is no way i could possible recommend any charity and as a retired diplomat that is my own personal view on charities
my daughter a PR consultant for a leading public affairs company has also raised her concerns to me since leaving uni
i myself have never found them to be of any use for any person i have asked their help for’ all they have ever offered is warm words and that is all
i think go fund me is the best one can do under normal circumstances and that Nicole Sedgebeer has made the best choice to help mark out
having said that going to a charity was bad judgement but she would not of known that
her own personal lawyer paying him 100 pounds for his advice would have been the correct way forward
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Vicki said:
This is disgusting!!!! That money was given for him!!! If people wanted to give to this fat cats ‘charity’ they would have! This is jelousy through and through!
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jim Holloway said:
Instead of all the outrage, looking at Nicole Sedgebeer’s fb it seems straightforward. She obviously raised a lot more cash than expected, and has wisely decided to consult with others about how the money can be best used to help Mark. Hopefully, Mark himself would be part of that process. Whether Safer Streets are the best people to advise I couldn’t say, but it’s clear that they have not and cannot block or take the money, the decision on that rests with Nicole. On CEO salaries, I couldn’t agree more, they are excessive and corrupting of charities’ ethos. Again though, I’ve no knowledge of Safer streets.
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Heather Ford said:
This is a disgrace! It was intended for the individual not a homeless charity. Who are they to decide what is suitable for him? It just looks like they want the money for themselves.
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Difa said:
jim Holloway
You’re totally wrong and so is Tom Pride. Nicole Sedgebeer collected the money saying it was for Mark Collins. She should hand the money over to him RIGHT NOW. No ifs, no buts and no consultation with charities.
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floguy said:
jim Holloway
You’re totally wrong and so is Tom Pride. Nicole Sedgebeer collected the money saying it was for Mark Collins. She should hand the money over to him RIGHT NOW. No ifs, no buts and no consultation with charities.
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Allan Ganley said:
In general on charity payoffs: – in 2011 Amnesty International paid their two top ‘chiefs’ a total of over £800,000 in ‘golden goodbyes’ when they left the organisation. Having seen members standing in freezing weather outside supermarkets on their days off collecting donations from shoppers, I thought it was time to leave. Besides, I’m not sure that I’ve seen Am Int do much of worth in the UK – and there’s plenty to do here after all. Like getting charity money to the right recipients – although I’m not sure I’d trust it to Amnesty Inter’l.
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Nick said:
When you give to any charity you have to remember that they are run by either wealthy people or celebrities or both
there are no main charities that are run by the likes of you or i and never will be
i wonder why ?
if you like boosting the wages of the directer of charity then give but if you don’t then rethink on your action
ask questions try yourself to get involved in a non-executive for free but gives you access to what is going on behind the scenes
the chances of that i can tell you now are zero
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Sarah mills said:
If the money was raised for this particular for a kind deed he did then he should have the money. Pay it forward!
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suckur moms said:
Cant believe these so called charity boss’s in c.r.i or there new name get paid £180,000 a year have cut all there so called support in getting people of drugs,mental health,getting people off the streets ect because they said they could do it a million cheaper then drug solutions by cutting the help there surposed giving,and now there tryin to take a homeless good Samaritans reward money raised online,cheeky bastards there the real crooks not the homeless man who probably has a drug habit!they shud give him the money and if he is on drugs, a free rehab and he could sort his life out cos these so called charity bosses need sacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!rant over an out😣
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Pete sach said:
I’m surprised we’ve had no comments from the charity concerned or is this a sign of its guilt .
Isn’t it time that the charity commission stepped in and put a minimum amount collected must be used for that cause say a minimum of 85% MUST be used for that cause not for fatcat CEO’S and their sidekicks to get rich at the expence of the generosity of the public and more importantly at the cost of those who are dependent upon that charity.
But going back to the original post WHY was safer streets involved in the 1st place ??
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Phyllis Fleming said:
It loll to me. That charity should be boycotted. Where does the CEO get off. Giving himself such a big salary. There is something fishey about that charity.
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Sam said:
Ok…I can see why people are outraged by this. It’s a genuinely kind, loving, thoughtful thing that this girl has done….and yes, how dare people block this guys money. The girl must be livid. However, we clearly we don’t know the full situation…do we genuinely think the rich CEO of this company made the decision on blocking the money? I highly doubt it. I suspect it was probably the people who find him sleeping rough every day, who care about him, and more to the point his personal safety. People who work for these charities aren’t in it for the money, there is none…they get paid peanuts for what quite frankly is an emotional roller coaster of a job. They may have even been in those unfortunate circumstances themselves before. I’m not assuming anything about this guy, but people don’t do things like this without genuine concern. A similar thing happened in Newcastle not so long ago, apart from the money was not blocked. I believe the man involved was a drug addict, and unfortunately he didn’t go on to lead a happy life with his new found riches. He died of a drug overdose. Again, I make no assumptions, but can we please not be so quick to jump on the bandwagon kicking off when we don’t know full circumstances. People can be vulnerable in all number of ways. Please let’s not be so quick to criticise the people who care about them and take time from there lives to help.
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Victoria bass said:
You have taken what belongs to Mark who is a human being with rights and is capable of making his own choices. If you believe it to be right to take his money as you fear it may be frittered away then release it to him slowly guide him and show him how to spend wisely. That is his money not yours or anyone else’s.
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Nick said:
as i said above this money was raised by Nicole Sedgebeer and the law dictates that the money raised be forward on to the person on who it was raised for and no body else
as a precaution Nicole Sedgebeer should have asked a lawyer on how this money should be dispersed in law and payable to who and to what bank account etc and taken those costs from the said total
as for consulting a charity that is not the correct procedure at all as the fund raiser has legal redresses in law and has to account for the funds that have accrued and on their final disbursements
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Laura said:
The money was donated to him… Why should a homeless charity get it? If your not letting him have it each person who donated should be fully refunded it’s there money and surely they should decide we it goes, and if your conceded it’s harmful instead of refusing to give it to him help him. Help find a home, start a business, go to college get a trade etc!!!
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LAM northern Ireland said:
The money was raised for Mark and should be given to him.. the girl he help could use the money to set him up in a flat to an help get him bk on his feet. After readying this it’s stopped me wanting to donate anything on less there 100% going to get it.
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jubsie gob said:
To Tom Pride:
Where did you get the quote “Giving large amounts of money directly to someone with support needs could have been harmful”? Did you write it yourself?
The ONLY web sites on the WHOLE internet which contain those words are yours and David Icke’s!
[Yes, it’s a huge conspiracy between me, David Icke and the Camden New Journal to smear the CEOs of homeless charities:
http://www.camdennewjournal.com/mark-collins-reward%5D] Tom
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Cthulhu said:
Thames Reach who are Street Rescue as well, have this to say about giving to beggars ….
http://www.thamesreach.org.uk/news-and-views/campaigns/giving-to-beggars/faq/
They say 80% of people on the streets have a substance abuse problem. That giving them money helps fuel this problem as they buy strong lagers, ciders, heroin etc. A lot of homeless charities are of that opinion. My sister worked as a volunteer for over five years in a cafe set up to help them get a hot meal, drink and financial and housing advice. She then worked for a very small organisation that helped the homeless find somewhere to live and apply for benefits etc. She then went on to do a degree, masters and PHD to further help the homeless. In her research she constantly came across the information that giving real money can very often fuel a bad situation. So when you say nowhere on the Internet says giving large amounts of money to vulnerable people can be harmful, do you mean it literally? Cause I found loads of stuff to support that notion. This guy (who used to be homeless) advocates this policy too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-25749158
So if these charities say giving to beggars exacerbates a bad situation, it kinda stands to reason they’d not advocate giving large sums of money to a homeless person.
Thing is, a huge amount of the homeless don’t actually beg. Not all have a substance abuse habit. And when all is said and done that money belongs to Mark, whoever has it.
Finally, this article reports the same story too, referencing Safer Streets not wanting Mark to have all the money at once and it’s written before this article was …
http://www.camdennewjournal.com/mark-collins-reward
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jubsie gob said:
Tom Pride: I wonder why, out of all the countless bloggers there are, ONLY YOU AND DAVID ICKE decided to pick it up and repeat it. More like gullibility than conspiracy!
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Elizabeth Kerr said:
All you charities should be ashamed of yourself I myself stopped giving to them because of the wages they are paying themselves it’s out ragout yous make me sick when these people really need it
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Cardinas said:
Why is Nicole Sedgebeer holding onto the money and not giving it to Mark? What’s going on?
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Rachel said:
There is no clear answer to this problem – I would side with the charity if man was the only beneficiary. We see this problem all the time. A large amount of money given to homeless people without significant support from organisations or others can cause a downward spiral into substance abuse and other negative effects. Negative associates made whilst homeless may gravitate towards that person and their new funds. We advocate that the money not be held back but managed as it is unlikely they have managed this amount of money before through numerous programmes and support workers to avoid detrimental effects from putting that person in a worse situation then they already are and for them to use it to gain a better future.
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l8in said:
the charity’s facebook page –
https://www.facebook.com/changegrowlive/
and their twitter page –
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Sierra said:
This blog is complete and utter invented rubbish. It’s worse than the Daily Mail. If Tom Pride had bothered to read the information then he would have seen that NO charity blocked ANYTHING at all. Nicole Sedgebeer is totally in control of the money, and SHE ALONE decided not to give the money directly to Mark Collins.
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Stanley said:
A HOMELESS HERO??? For fucks sake, he only showed her the way to a cafe!!! This blog is just tabloid style crap.
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eiglas said:
Richard Eastell… sorry but YOU are wrong this tiome. Salvation Army will ehlap ANYONE. You just cannot join the ranks if you do not adhere to the Christian lifestyle – ie, no drinking alcohol, no sex outside marriage (gay or hetero – no distinction). It is true that they will not accept gay people into their ranks (at present) as they follow the biblical view of one man one woman for procreation.
You do NOT have to be a member to be helped.
btw – I am not affiliated with the Salvation Army in any way – I’m not religious at all – I just believe, from experience that they are, insofar as humans are able, the ‘good guys’ of the bunch on offer. I didn’t say they were perfect – just that they don’t rob people and they DO do a lot of good.
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cmgregson said:
Rachel & others- The money was donated to Mark and so it is his. The same as it would be if he’d inherited it, worked for it, won it on a scratchcard or whatever. Any one of us could end up in his place with bad luck or a few poor decisions and we would want to be treated as a person not a ‘homeless’. Universal credit and the rest will put more and more on the streets due to simple lack of cash and the idea that a problem created by lack of money cannot be solved by having money is insulting. Support with mental health and addiction is an important separate issue but surely a windfall big enough to get a place to live, new clothes, guaranteed food and more is a damn good start? I wish Mark success and happiness.
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Sean said:
I contacted the organisation concerned, as reported on Pride’s Purge blog. This was their response:
Hi Sean,
Thanks for your email. We can clarify that we have not received or requested any funds raised by the fundraiser through JustGiving, nor do we control how the funds are spent – a decision that, rightly, rests with the fundraiser.
Kind regards,
Timothy Lawal
Administrator
Timothy.Lawal@cgl.org.uk
CGL, 2nd Floor, 140-142 Kings Cross Road
London WC1X 9DS
So is there a follow up to this story or is it rubbish?
[(Sigh) Read. The. Link. Safer Streets control homeless services in Camden – they told the fundraiser that the money should be donated to a homeless charity and not given to Mark on the basis that “giving large amounts of money directly to someone with support needs could have been harmful”. They (tried at least) to block the money from Mark and wanted it to be given to a charity like themselves. Exactly as is quoted in the article: http://www.camdennewjournal.com/mark-collins-reward#.VyI_B48_dP0.twitter Now stop defending fat cat CEOs of charities who refuse to help people like Mark and start to get angry at how Mark and others like him are being treated by them. And if you can’t do that, then do me a favour, go back to the Daily Mail and f*ck off from my site. Thank you.] -Tom
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ebrown4296@msn.com said:
Response from the Charity
Dear Eileen,
Thank you for your email concerning the Just Giving Campaign: https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/helpthehomeless.
I understand there have been some comments online regarding Camden Safer Streets Team/ change, grow, live (CGL) and our involvement in this campaign which has caused you concern.
In response, I would like to assure you that Camden SST/CGL has not received or requested any funds raised by the fundraiser through Just Giving, nor does the charity control how the funds are spent – a decision that, rightly, rests with the fundraiser.
Kind regards
Saul Freeman
Streetsafe Coordinator
Camden Safer
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Sara Ahmed said:
Mr Pride – You’ve got yet another story rather badly wrong. Perhaps I could suggest that you apologise and try to think (and read) carefully first before writing in future.
[Read it again. There is nothing wrong with my story, or the Camden New Journal’s. Nowhere did I or the CNJ say the charity controlled the money or has received any money. As I have already said, the charity controls the homeless services in Camden and openly said the money should not be given to Mark – see the quote from Safer Streets in the article. Now stop your pathetic defending of fatcat charity CEOs with your lazy middle-class nitpicking of semantics and start supporting Mark. And if your delicate sensibilities are offended by my swearing – good. Now do me a favour and f*ck off from my site and go to the Daily Mail where you will be made to feel more welcome.] – TOM
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Sara Ahmed said:
“Homeless charity blocks money donated by the public to homeless hero”
A simple question – How?
[Read. The. Link. As you seem incapable of clicking on the link, here’s the relevant part for you: ‘Ms Sedgebeer, from Milton Keynes, said it had been difficult to find a charity willing to take the money and use it directly to house Mr Collins. It is understood the Safer Streets Team, employed by Camden Council to help get people off the streets, recommended the money be donated to a homeless charity, on the basis that “giving large amounts of money directly to someone with support needs could have been harmful”. If you read further, you will see there is another homeless charity -ThamesReach – who is now willing to help Mark. Now enough of defending fatcat CEOs of charities and pointless attempts to smear me. I also note from your IP that you have previously commented (abusively) here under the name of Stanley. This is a form of trolling known as sock puppeting (Google it). You are clearly not interested in homelessness but in tedious attacks on me. If you continue, I will block you – for the unforgiveable sin of being boring.] -TOM
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Nichola said:
Money grabbing dirty RATS poor man deserves this not some homeless charity who hasn’t even give him somewhere to sleep what an absolute joke it’s theft should be prosecuted 😡✊🏻💦🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
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Eileen Brown said:
What I’d like o know is what Nicole Sedgebeer had done with Marks money, she had a FB page for updating but gone quiet.
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Sara again said:
[Re-posted after being deleted]
[Dear Stanley/Sara/Sarah – You have already insulted Mark by saying “all he did was show her the way to a cafe”. You should be ashamed of yourself attacking homeless people. You have now posted comments under 6 different names and IP addresses. You are now trolling me. I will now no longer bother to delete your future comments so people can see how obsessive you are. Get help.] – TOM
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Eileen Brown said:
Tom…….do you have any idea what’s happened to the money? The important person here is Mark and all the other homeless who need help and support!
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Eileen Brown said:
Why is it I get emails advising of new comments and they aren’t there? I’d like to know who has the money and how they intend to use it!
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Robeson said:
Eileen – The comments answering your question have been deleted.
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Eileen Brown said:
So much for openness, transparency……….,,thanks for confirming what I suspected
[I have deleted one person who is posting under different aliases attacking Mark. And trying to discredit the story to defend the charity. Trolls will get deleted.You are attacking me for publicising the fact Mark didn’t get the money? This should be about Mark. No wonder no-one helps him. What a bunch of idiots -] Tom
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Robeson said:
Eileen – I didn’t see any comments attacking the homeless man, but I did see at least two which seemed rather critical of Tom Pride and they’ve disappeared now.
[You didn’t see them because I deleted them idiot. And yes, people attacking me for pointing out Mark doesn’t have his money? Wonder why?] Tom
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Eileen Brown said:
Robenson ….I never posted these comments above about trolling or deleting anyone….I thanked you for confirming what I suspected, comments being deleted. I think there’s been a glitch and it was Tom who deleted……..posts mixed. Or someone’s playing silly buggers. I posted response I got fron charity a couple of days ago…..they confirmed they did not ask for the money, I am concerned why had Matk not been given any support and would like to know where money went. Think this threads gone corrupt and will look elsewhere for answers to what’s happening!
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Robeson said:
Eileen – I agree. The administration of this site is ‘unusual’ to say the least!
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Eileen Brown said:
I agree, but it is wrong for someone to alter your posts, removing myself and hope, Mark gets his cash……..I guess it goes to prove don’t believe all you read, seems too we can’t delete our comments ……..even although they are not truly ours!
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Angie-lynne Hudson said:
So very upsetting i am founder of a non profit org dealing with homelessness on a weekly basis, we also help those moving on from homelessness by cleaning , decorating finding furniture and so much more and we do all this on 50 quid a week we raise by selling bits donated for pittance but we do it. yet you get big charities who have bosses who are taking hundreds of thousands of pounds each year out of the pot to keep themselves when if 50 quid a week can feed us 35 peeps on the streets imagine what that amount of money could do? x
https://www.facebook.com/groups/199751873716655/
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Alison Bennewith said:
I emailed the accused organisation and this is the response I received
” Dear Alison,
Thank you for your email concerning the Just Giving Campaign: https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/helpthehomeless.
I understand there have been some comments online regarding Camden Safer Streets Team/ change, grow, live (CGL) and our involvement in this campaign which has caused you concern.
In response, I would like to assure you that Camden SST/CGL has not received or requested any funds raised by the fundraiser through Just Giving, nor does the charity control how the funds are spent – a decision that, rightly, rests with the fundraiser.
Kind regards
Saul Freeman
Streetsafe Coordinator
Camden Safer Streets Team”
Has anyone else been in touch with them to get their side of this storey ?
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Mike Doverskog said:
Yes Alison, I also wrote to Camden SST/CGL and received the same reply. I would hazard a guess that the money sits with Just Giving and Mark should probably get in touch with them or find someone trustworthy to help him get in touch with them in order to get his money. I suspect he will need to get an address in order to get a bank account to which the money can be transferred.
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Mike Doverskog said:
It would also seem that the charity in question, rather than actively blocking the donated money from benefiting Mark, have only voiced an opinion on what to do with the donations. Last time I checked we were all entitled to hold our own opinions. Apart from that I think I’ll just withdraw from this conversation as it seems more focused on venting anger against a charity than helping a man get his rightful cash.
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Eileen Brown said:
Not venting on the charity, they don’t have the cash…it belongs to Mark, donations were made for him…..wrong he’s not had it!
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sod-off tax-dodging gits said:
To those who said “She obviously raised a lot more cash than expected, and has wisely decided to consult with others about how the money can be best used to help Mark.” let me remind you that the JustGiving page has a TARGET of £8,000. She always intended to raise thousands of pounds, but she may not have always intended to give it to the supposed recipient.
There’s something fishy going on here.
I strongly suggest donors (and Mark himself, who according to the linked newspaper article is understandably pissed off) contact the Charity Fraud Hotline. You can submit info anonymously if you like and online or by phone.
http://www.charityfraudline.co.uk/about
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Sativasam said:
Most hostels have internet access, I suggest Mark sets up his own just giving page. Then Nicole Sedgebeer can transfer the assets into his own account. He can then set up paypal or something like, and get his TV and fishing rod. He only has to pay the deposit on the flat then he has an address. If he registers with them. The council will put him on the emergency housing list as he will have loads of point being homeless.
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