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(not satire – it’s the BBC!)
Even a hardened old cynic like me is a little bit shocked by this.
The BBC’s Political Editor Nick Robinson edited out an answer by Alex Salmond and told viewers the Scottish First Minister didn’t answer his question:
But Mr Salmond did answer the question. Compare Robinson’s version with this unedited footage of what really happened:
There was a time when a clear case of factual manipulation by a BBC reporter like this would have been a sacking matter at the corporation.
No longer it seems.
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Not even nearly the first time BBC have shown bias in favour of the Better Together campaign. Every morning BBC breakfast is like a 3 hour lecture from patronising Better Together lady. I’d better go off and eat my cereal. Too many decisions to make on my own!!
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He may have spoken for nearly 6 minutes but he did not answer the question.
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Total shite by Nick Robinson from the BBC Political (editor ?) the new bbc comic of 2014.
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You may not *like* the answer, but answer it he did
Where the HQ of a bank is makes no difference to the Corp tax take, that is levied in the country where the business is done.
So the estimates of earnings don’t include Lloyds nor RBS or any company out with Scotland.
As the boss of RBS has issued two statements that no jobs are moving thete is no change
So the question is answered.
You not liking it doesn’t mean it wasn’t
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Oh….. the British Bias Corporation…………..”And so it goes”.( Kurt Vonnegut…….Slaughterhouse-Five)
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Alec Salmond, taking auntie beeb to task for misrepresenting financial facts re our Independence….ma heeeerooh. Looking forward to the investigation!!
Thanks, Tom, for sharing this.
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Nick Robinson was once part of the leadership of the overtly ‘Thatcherite’ Federation of Conservative Students (FCS) which somewhat gives the lie to those who claim the BBC is stuffed full of ‘wooly lefties’. His actions in this regard do not surprise me.
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I’m for a ‘No’ vote in Scotland but behaviour like that should get Nick Robinson sacked. The fact that it won’t speaks volumes of how far the BBC has fallen as a genuine news organisation.
Apparently BBC reporters can now ask questions and if they don’t like what they hear can edit out embarassing answers that call into dispute the behaviour of their friends and co-workers.
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Whenever Nick Robinson or Nick Clegg appears on the TV or Radio, it might as well say, “party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative party”.
At least everyone would know what they were getting.
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From a couple of tweets I’ve seen, it appears last night’s debate was heavily edited too. As a young person has pointed out, the BBC appear to have forgotten that the young use social media.
The BBC has looked oddly biased for a long time but these videos finally confirm it. I wonder if Nick Robinson has country suppers anywhere….
I wasn’t sure it was a good thing or a bad thing that Scotland voted ‘Yes’ until Cameron et al rushed up there… (would make a good cartoon with the three witches….) Will be Interesting to see how the ‘Scottish play’ unfolds.
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Having read this article in the Financial Times – I would say England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England. If Scotland had nothing worthwhile there would not be this major panic.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5c48254-376e-11e4-bd0a-00144feabdc0.html
I think I’d vote yes.
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Reblogged this on Are We Really Better Together? and commented:
I had been planning writing my own critique of Nick Robinson & the BBC’s reporting but looks like I don’t need to.
Suffice to say, this issue has prompted me to actually send a complaint to the BBC rather than just shouting at the TV.
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Hang on… am I the only one thinking that Nick Robinson was in fact correct? He didn’t answer the question shown and he did simply lambast the press – that’s what Robinson said in his report… ?
Looks like some opportunistic BBC bashing. The Yes supporters struggling, lashing out at anything that can as they find themselves proven wrong, time and time again.
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did you think the torys mouth piece would tell it has it was nah telling the truth is dead with them all
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No, there is a guy above you think the question wasn’t answered but you’re both wrong
Nameplate changes don’t affect the estimate of Corp tax income
Moreover, RBS doesn’t, can’t pay tax, too much debt, so in that case it is moot anyway
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He clearly did not “simply lambast the press”, he explained corporation tax and gave quotes from the RBS Chief Exec before going on to accuse the treasury of fairly serious misconduct. All of which was relevant to the question that was asked.
Further, it’s not the job of Nick Robinson to decide whether a question is answered adequately. He isn’t doing an opinion piece, this is supposed to be factual journalism. He has a duty to show us the answer that was given and allow us, the viewer, to decide whether or not that answer is satisfactory. His report is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth.
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We’ll have to complain to the BBC about this. I will, now.
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The bias is now astonishingly bare-faced. We are paying our license fee to be propagandised.
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He doesn’t actually answer the second question which is the question broadcast in the clip (the one regarding trust) so technically the answer isn’t edited out. As to whether the first question and answer should have been in the clip is another matter.
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He did not answer that question. Made a lot of unfounded accusations, but failed to directly answer any specific questions. In particular he did not say why the people of Scotland should believe him rather than believing financial experts.
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All you Yes voters seem as dim-witted as Salmond if you can’t detect that there are two questions and Salmond only answered one of them. The (paraphrased) question “Should the public trust you or business leaders in contradictory claims being made?” was never addressed
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BBC is a totally Tory run organisation now. Nick Robinson, Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr all have Tory backgrounds. Same at top of the organisation. Why have we not heard anything about privatisation of the NHS? Because the Tories don’t want us to! They see are supposed to have a duty to inform, but this isn’t happening. Roll on May 2015!
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The BBC has now completely lost all credibility in Scotland. There have been numerous examples of their bias and media manipulation including an attempt to persuade some first time voting 16 and 17 year olds at last night’s ‘BigBigDebate’ in Glasgow’s Hydro arena to pretend to be ‘No’ or ‘Undecided’ voters. Not only this, but they also edited out the audience boo-ing certain responses from ‘No’ reps on the panel. What a ‘schoolboy’ error – attempting to manipulate teenagers…..probably the most social media savvy group of people in the country. A brief look at Twitter for #bigbigdebate is all that is required to see just how badly they have harmed their once good reputation.
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“The BBC has now completely lost all credibility in Scotland” is a ludicrously unfounded statement. Do I correctly assume you’ll be personally boycotting all BBC media?
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My apologies Nigel old boy, I DO beg your pardon. You’re quite right of course, I was referring specifically to BBC News. My error was in assuming that any discerning reader would have swiftly recognised that fact. Clearly, a mistake in your case.
Never fear, I’m sure that there is far more entertainment and hopefully far less corruption in some of the other Beeb offerings you might enjoy – Eastenders perhaps?…..no, on second thoughts, my guess is you’re a ‘Top Gear’ fan. Hm?
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Many thanks Tom. I had missed this.
Nick Robinson’s bias has been very plain in many of his reports about the referendum recently. The reason is that his privileged position as a Westminster ‘insider’ and hence his media prominence depends on him being looked on favourably by the Westminster ‘elite’, which of course means backing the No campaign.
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Yeah… he didn’t actually answer though.
You’ve been a bit disingenuous here.
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You’d think the bbc had enough shit to keep under the rug with their peado gangs, but this is an all time low,…
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There is a difference between answering a question properly and *appearing to say something*. If any of you think Alex Salmond answered the question properly or at all, then you will be able to tell me what he said when he said “The Scottish voters should listen to me rather than Scottish businesses BECAUSE [fill in the blank] ”
All of you who think Alex Salmond answered the question properly can of course fill in the blank and I invite you to do so.
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In fairness, he didn’t answer the question of why we should believe a politician over those in charge.
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I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on why you think he didn’t reply.
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Well firstly, Steve, I am in my mid-twenties, an age which I don’t count as old although I suppose in Scotland I would be in my advanced years. I wish you luck in your fight against the propagandist powerhouse that is the BBC; I hear they’ve covered up a number of UFO sighting too!
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Could you tell me where and when this exchange occurred as I think such disgraceful ‘journalism’ warrants a petition calling for Nick Robinson to be sacked. If one already exists could you send me a link? Many thanks
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Independence would make no difference to the tax paid by the banks currently registered in Scotland ! The fact is that companies that presently do business across the island will after independence pay tax to Britain on profits earned in Britain and tax to Scotland on profits earned in Scotland . And guess where most of the profits are made? In the light of this , how sound are his financial projections, post independence?
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Please tell me Alex Salmonds answer to the question:
“Why should a Scottish voter believe you, a politician, against men who are responsible for billions of pounds of profits?”
(i.e. the questions he didn’t answer)
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I just had to reblog this. Trust the BBC’s political editor, Nick Robinson, to edit Alex Salmond’s response to his question to give the impression that Salmond hadn’t “answered his question”.
This morning, Robinson tweeted the following:
Nick Robinson @bbcnickrobinson · 12h
To all tweeting about me saying that @AlexSalmond did not answer me : He DID answer re RBS but did NOT re why trust him not company bosses
Wriggle, wriggle, squirm, wriggle. We don’t trust you, Nick.
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The “unedited footage” is the BBC’s own coverage…that was shown…on the BBC…and repeated…on the BBC.
He didn’t once say/answer why they should trust him and not the company bosses. Come on guys, this is petty and now ridiculous.
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There is no factual answer to that question, it’s rhetorical. Trust is an emotional decision, not a logical one. He DID address the question, however, by pointing out that such claims had been made (and responded to) before and were merely being repeated.
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Salmond didn’t answer the question of why SNP should be trusted over big business. That YouTube edits the news report and cuts out the part where Salmond actually answers a question and reads out letter from RSB.
It’s on iplayer, six o’clock news, about three minutes in.
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Yes it was. See above. Whether you (or Nick Robinson) considers the answer satisfactory or not is not the issue. The point is that it WAS addressed and Robinson lied about it.
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Well said Andy, it was appalling.
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Quite.
Can anyone here give us Salmond’s answer to “Why should a Scottish voter believe you a politician, against men who are responsible for billions of pounds of profit?”
Just that question. I’m finding myself believing Salmond less and less. I’d like to vote yes, but I’m not convinced by Salmond’s instance over things he has no control over (EU, £).
This blog post is a lie.
(he “read a statement” (and ad-libbed a bit), which is also known as “dodging the question”)
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To not answer the question would to me say” I asked the question but received no response ” I am sorry but that is not accurate journalism. He addressed Nick Robinson directly for 6mins on his questions. Nick Robinson received a reply so it is a subjective question about the response that he received that should have been quoted. But it wasn’t reported in that report and it wasn’t just once but twice he reported this. I feel that Nick Robinson has more to do with the leaking of the RBS issue than is being let on. That was far from accurate journalism and his opinion should not be taken in to account in his reporting.
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Why should Scottish voters believe the banks, who almost brought the UK to it’s knees and have led to massive rises in the public debt, over Salmond? Why should Scottish voters believe all the pro union business leaders who have paid billions in taxes over all the pro independence business leaders who have done the same? That particular question is a non event and is being used by the BBC to try and cover their backsides when they have been caught out spectacularly.
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Robinson took it personally. But to prodcast a lie on national TV is illegal and misleading.
His reputation and that of the BBC just now is in tatters.
I personally think he should apologise and reinstate the truthful answer.
Alba GU Bragh
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Eh very wrong. This is flying a pretty shaky, tenuous kite. Try listening again…perhaps without the entire western media/world/universe is conspiring against our wee pretendy country perspective Salmond didn’t answer the question. Robinson asked: “Why should a Scottish voter believe you, a politician, against men who are responsible for billions of pounds of profits.” Salmond does not this question at any point. What he does is give a 7 minute diatribe against everything else – though does address Robinson’s first question on the banks, albeit disingenuously (changing HQ will necessarily mean losing jobs, investment and premises…not just changing “plaques” as Salmond patronisingly claims). The news only runs, at most, 30 second segments. No news channel would ever run a full response that didn’t answer the original question, even rolling news. Robinson says: “He didn’t answer but did attack the metropolitan media.” So Salmond answered the question with his own scripted polemic. He was going to use it no matter what. That’s why he picked Robinson – to have a go at the BBC. That’s kinda obvious to any balanced individual.
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Spot the irony of Salmond slating the BBC for bias and being the puppet of Westminster, if he gets independance, he’ll be commandeering (seizing control of) BBC Scotland as a public asset and using it in exactly the same way when he’s made himself Prime Minister….
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From Salmond’s own words (~1:50 of 2nd video):
“I think the people of Scotland have moved beyond these… ah, warnings and scaremongerings, particularly when there is a clear evidence that while the Prime Minister was busy telling us what a wonderful nation we were, his business advisor was busy desperately trying to get any business he possibly could to say something negative about Independence.”
And so to paraphrase:
“Why should a Scottish voter believe you against these business men?”
“Because the people of Scotland have moved beyond listening to politically-motivated scaremongering.”
In isolation this may not be the answer you would like and you may not consider it a robust answer (I don’t consider it particularly robust myself), but it is an answer.
However, when combined with the context of the question and response – namely that this was a secondary question to a main question about RBS which Salmond pretty thoroughly and comprehensively refutes – it seems clear that Salmond is refuting the premise of Robinson’s line of questioning.
Namely, that Robinson is effectively saying “Scottish tax payers would lose money from RBS moving to London. Why should we listen to you over [all] business leaders?” and Salmond responds “Scotland won’t lose money so I’m not in conflict with all business leaders.”
So while you may not like Salmond’s specific response to the secondary question, it does not change the original complaint that by very selective editing Nick Robinson has misrepresented the nature of their exchange.
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Exactly. You have it Mr Hunter. So Alex Salmond is only factoring in the tax that would be due in Scotland to his calculations, and those are the figures he’s presenting. You agree with his method, so why do you say he did not answer?
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There is a difference between answering a question properly and appearing to answer the question. If any of you think Alex Salmond answered the question properly or at all, then you will be able to tell me what he said when he said “The Scottish voters should listen to me rather than Scottish businesses BECAUSE [fill in the blank IN YOUR OWN WORDS] ”
All of you who think Alex Salmond answered the question properly can of course fill in the blank and I invite you to do so.
http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/in-defence-of-nick-robinson-of-bbc.html
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He did not say “You should believe me because” but he explained what the answer was and then he not only quoted the statement from RBS that the change would have no effect but he pointed out that these are rehashed fear stories from months ago. He gave evidence and left you to make up your own mind
He is not in a position to say “Of course they would say that, their f***ing Tories”, that is left to people not in a position of responsibility, like me.
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He did not say “trust me because” which is a poisoned chalice of a phrase, he put forward his evidence for why he stated what he did and left it to you to have an open mind
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There is a difference between answering a question properly and appearing to answer the question. If any of you think Alex Salmond answered the question properly or at all, then you will be able to tell me what he said when he said “The Scottish voters should listen to me rather than Scottish businesses BECAUSE [fill in the blank IN YOUR OWN WORDS] ”
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Pretty much have for a while now. A couple of programmes on internet catch up. I think legally I could make a declaration and stop paying the licence fee if this continues
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Yeah, but, he did, but, see above
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“Here is my evidence for the position I hold and the statement from RBS that it means no change”
There you go, sorted
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Because he gave evidence and a statement from one of those men confirming what he was saying
Now, do you think that the men in question are purely impartial observers, or do you think they have a motive born of other reasons than cold, empirical reason devoid of loyalty to their peer group?
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Even Labour don’t want Scottish Independence.
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If Scotland goes independent we will know that there are more silly people in Scotland than they are sensible ones.
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Would the Scottish still have to pay the licence fee if there is a YES vote?
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E very week it seems, in First Minister’s Questions, Alex Salmond gets invited, as Nick Robinson did yesterday, to attack the reputation of some individual whose statement on the coordinated attack point of the day (all three leaders have the same question on the same topic on the same day without fail?!)
And, just like yesterday, he refuses to use his position to do that. He explains why he says why he does, often using statements from the same people he is invited to trash to illustrate his point.
He didn’t attack the Tories in charge at the banks, instead he explained how Corp tax works (if he is wrong, go for him on that) and that there are no jobs moving, using statements from RBS to show why this is so. (in face a pevious RBS chairman has pointed out the fact that it is a London bank anyway – a point he made a month ago here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28641991)
He also pointed out that these are rehashed rewarmed scare stories. May be new to you, we’ve heard them before and STandard Life said the last time
“Thank you for your email of 27 February 2014.
We are disappointed that our statement has caused you concern.
To clarify our position, Standard Life currently has no plans to relocate or transfer parts of our operations out of Scotland. What we have announced are precautionary measures to ensure we can provide continuity and protect the interests of our customers, wherever they live in the UK (and around the world), in the event of Scotland becoming independent.
We have no desire to move any aspect of our operations unless absolutely necessary. We have been based in Scotland for 189 years. We are proud of our Scottish heritage and believe that Scotland is a good place from which to run our business and compete around the world. We very much hope this can continue.
Standard Life is strictly non-political and will not seek to influence people on how they should vote. However, we have a duty and a responsibility to understand the implications of independence for our four million UK customers, our shareholders, our people and other stakeholders in our business. We will take whatever action is necessary to protect their interests.
Yours sincerely
Gerry Grimstone
Chairman”
Because the FM is not an attack dog and shows a bit of class, and fucking SENSE in not accepting an invitation to look petty and spiteful, does not mean he didn’t answer the question,. He did
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May I answer the question. The Business Leaders in question are financially motivated and will say whatever makes them richer, or directed to by policy makers in control of decisions which will affect their business. Simply put, Salmonds motivations are for independence, with no financial or power gain for himself afterwards. So, who do I trust? Salmond. I believe we MAY be worse off financially under independence, same as we MAY be better off. I’ll pay an extra ten pence in the pound tax, if it means we are no longer controlled by an inherently corrupt government. And a fair few of my English friends intend to move north if we achieve it.
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rab
he answered it by destroying the credibility of the question…he said “nick robertson why should we believe you….”
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Scotland will be a one-party state after King Alex takes over.
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To all saying Salmond didn’t actually answer. The premise of the question was big business is saying it’s going to move and take its taxes and jobs with it. Why should we believe you and not them? Salmond replied that a) that’s clearly not what they’re saying, as evidenced by quotes from what they actually said, and b) their taxes for earnings outside Scotland are not counted in our calculations anyway. I’ll leave you to judge who to trust in this matter.
Quite simply Robinson is a barefaced liar. You have the evidence of your eyes and ears, and clearly the international press agreed with Salmond judging by the applause. Move over Pravda heah com da BBC.
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If Scotland paid for the BBC in the same manner as the Dutch or Irish do, for example, we’d get the same channels for a damn sight cheaper
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Not too easy with our voting system, whereas that’s what you’ve already got in rUK. And sadly, so have we until we break free.
I don’t know why I bothered answering such an inane comment, but there you are, I’ve done it now.
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What’s that got to do with anything? Lab don’t want an iScotland because their trougher MPs would not be able to earn huge salaries, subsidised housing in London and ridiculous expenses.
As a lady said at one of the many debates, the Yes politician supporters are interested in their country, the No politician supporters are interested in their salaries.
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Please sign my petition calling for immediate suspension of Nick Robinson. May make zero difference to him or Beeb, but if signed and shared enough, maybes could be swung by what they see.
https://www.change.org/p/the-bbc-immediate-suspension-pending-investigation-of-political-editor-nick-robinson-for-serious-breach-of-bbc-trust-charter-article-44
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patrick
http://new.livestream.com/IndependenceLive/BBCBiasV tomorrow…
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His understanding of the complex financial systems which the reporter himself doesn’t seem to fully understand works for me as an answer as to why we should have some faith in him. If he was wrong about a single point he mentioned in those 7 minutes then he would be called out for being an idiot but they dont and I’m sure they No Camp have had enough time to check if hes right or not. I think a lot of people are waking up to the effect the media has on how we vote and how we diseminate fact from fiction. Whatever the out come of the indy ref I think the people of Scotland both Nationals and non nationals have been awoken to how important it is to engage and find out for themselves whats at stake. I hope we get a Yes vote and I hope it leads to a better, fairer Scotland with people in power who listen to its people.
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the big boys made us do it… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di3U3vSj0Pw
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p s and the fact we are not genetically programmed to make political decisions as well… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBH55ZeZU4w
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Think you need to listen to all of the questions again, he answered the fundamental question. The “why should people believe you over …..” was a stupid question he doesnt have to answer, he is in fact the ONLY ELECTED head of parliament, unlike the condems down south. Did you see how much he won by at the last election, it was a land slide, so I think the people have already stated who they trust to lead scotland. The banks are worried about who will bail them out, the next time the fuck up, well the rest of Britain is welcome to them.
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It is absolutely implicit in Salmond’s reply that he is saying ” you don’t have to trust either, you simply have to look at the facts – and here they are.”
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Would you have been happy if he had said ‘me’, then moved on? Robinson is dancing on the head of a pin if that’s his defence of this utterly misleading report.
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Labour would loose about 70 – 80% of their seats in Westminster if Scotland gets independence.
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david
our imperial masters have arrived!… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiMXuEmqAHA
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Close the Border now!
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With an independent Scotland we would have our own broadcasting media and we would have more say about their conduct. £320 million is raised per year in scotland from TV licences alone, the level of spending in Scotland by the BBC is £175 million.
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Every day we see things happening in Scotland and then check out the news on the BBC. Without fail, if the topic is positive for the YES vote, it does not get covered in the news. Meanwhile the BBC keep ramping up the scare stories. According to them, if Scotland decides to go for independence, the country will be in total collapse. Strange that, when per head of population we are one of the richest countries in the world.
What do you think accounts for this discrepancy?
I will not be accepting any answers from the BBC, of course.
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from the other side of milibands speech shown above… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4-LuBADiIA
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I can’t see this posted on this thread already…
It’s a 38 Degrees petition: “Independent Enquiry into BBC bias regards Scottish Independence Referendum”
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/independent-enquiry-into-bbc-bias-regards-scottish-independence-referendum?source=facebook-share-button&time=1410431050
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@andromeda077342014, Alex Salmond answered the question so comprehensively and impressively that the room full of international media applauded him! The fact that it was not the answer that Nick Robinson wanted him to give is besides the point. To state that no answer was given is factual incorrect no matter how far you stretch the definition of “answer”.
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@andromeda077342014
Nick Robinson’s second question: “Why should a Scottish voter believe you, a politician, against men who are responsible for billions of pounds of profit?”
Answer one, “I think the people of Scotland have moved beyond these warnings and scaremongering”. Answer two. “Particularly when there is clear evidence that while the prime minister was busy telling us what a wonderful nation we were. His business adviser was busy desperately trying to get any business he possibly could to say something negative about independence”.
And your requested idiot proof version
“The Scottish voters should listen to me rather than Scottish businesses BECAUSE They have moved beyond these warnings and scaremongering ”
“The Scottish voters should listen to me rather than Scottish businesses BECAUSE The prime minister’s business adviser was busy desperately trying to get any business he possibly could to say something negative about independence”
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dwayne
the border to democracy remains firmly shut as long as WM have power over scotland!
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Because he is also a trained economist who work at the BoS as an oil advisor
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https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/independent-enquiry-into-bbc-bias-regards-scottish-independence-referendum
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Sorry Andy! Hadn’t refreshed page as I posted!
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Those in charge of billions of pounds of profits, he said. Those profits are the extra penny that you pay for your bag of sugar, the extra penny you pay on you clothing, on your electricity, not only those things but the interest on the extra £2000 borrowing per head per year that is spent on keeping the country run “efficiently”. Yes why would you not trust the people who are sucking the ability for government to operate for the people and making government work for them, and by proxy everyone else to work for them too. Why not. Let’s have a referendum and put the head of RBS in power, I am sure that whomever they are will be able to right our ship in no time whatsoever.
You can try selling the dreams of our children for profits today, but you will meet resistance.
And I quote
“In its annual results, RBS made a £1.9bn provision for fines and damages relating to mis-selling mortgage bonds in the US, as well as other penalties relating to market manipulation. But the bank fears the fines could exceed this amount.”
source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27234148
I trust anyone that is doing things that can incur a £1.9 Billion fine payable by the taxpayer. Good job guys.
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“the business leaders were put up to making disingenuous statements by the Westminster Government which the BBC has deliberately misrepresented to imply a meaning that was neither actually said or actually meant. That is why you cannot trust them ergo I am more trustworthy than them” is what should be in your blanks and answers the question very well!
You may not like the answer, as has been repeated many times on here, but it is a perfectly good and valid answer.
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OBD – She was right. Would you like to dispute it?
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He spoke after the question, he didn’t give an answer. Like with most things he’s asked he just talked a lot and hoped nobody would notice he was waffling.
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I was genuinely shocked by this. I saw the full version and then saw Nick’s report. I appreciate these things must be edited but this goes way beyond editing or error or comment. This is manipulation to hide facts and misrepresent.
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f f
tell me why she is right? for my future consideration and i shall consider myself educated…
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He didn’t say why trust him over business leaders? Oh, no! Could it be that he’s letting us make up our own minds like adults?
How DARE he treat us like free thinking people!
Seriously, you find it that difficult to come to a logical conclusion like that? You think it’s a bad thing that he lets us think for ourselves?
All you’ve done is make another case for Yes if being allowed to draw your own conclusions is a bad thing, and that’s exactly what your posts suggest.
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Salmond did answer the question but he did so firstly by attacking the false assumptions that the question was based on, e.g. that moving registered domicile meant that corporation tax revenues would go to England. He showed Nick Robinson to be ill-informed, partisan and unprofessional.
In delivering an edited version later that told a blatant lie, “he didn’t answer”, the BBC has colluded to give Salmond a bloody nose for embarrassing its chief political commentator. Nick Robinson’s later edit is heady with the sickly sweet smell of sour grapes.
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Grow up and watch the whole debate, not just a tiny out of context clip. Nobody from ANY country is genetically programmed to make political decisions.
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It was tired rehashed unionist tat that really didn’t warrant the answer given out interminably months before. You give an answer to the same slavering fools two or three times and it gets ignored thereafter. Because you didn’t hear or bother to listen months ago is your own retarded, slothful fault. Why would any reasonable person give a fuck what you think at this stage of the game?
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I disagree, I don’t think it’s anything as benign as sour grapes. I think Nick Robinson reeks of sycophancy, ambition and illegal political manipulation……
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f f
name the whole debate as you see it and i shall watch it or tell you if you are right or wrong to claim that arrogant position…to expect me to be you, is plain wrong, as i have no idea what you mean by grow up or anything else you say, unless you actually tell me what you mean by it, define what you mean?…you may mean grow up in terms of established norms ie politically acceptable cultural normalization, which is cited in the present…i have to assume is what you mean…i don’t accept the cultural norms set by an oppressive imperialist uk culture, it is my inclination to declare that you do!…
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OBD – Are you pretending to be thick? I mean the whole debate between Sturgeon and Lamont from which YOU posted the clip link above! Let me know when you’ve watched the whole thing……
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Actually, Robinson was president of Young Conservatives and not the FCS. He was, however, president of OUCA, which is barking mad.
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Well, I listened to his response, and he didn’t answer Robinson’s the question (in exactly the same way that all politicians avoid answering questions). He said an awful lot, and much of it was true — but none of it answered the question. I have no love for Nick Robinson – far from it – but on this one he’s definitely not guilty.
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Let me know when you’ve watched the whole thing……why?
in the mean time i’ll post this not just for you… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2oSXzY6EIo
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So who would you believe, Alex Salmond or a business man like Fred Goodwin and all the other bent bankers that got us in this position? You would have to be a retard to belie
ve the latter!
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You ask me why watch the whole debate? That’s an astonishing question from anyone who claims to have an open mind. If you’re not interested in the context then you’re not interested in the truth. Are you? You posted the clip, but now you don’t even seem interested in it.
I have now voted Yes by post, but I would prefer that people like you vote No and Scotland doesn’t gain independence, rather than you vote though blind ignorance.
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…or perhaps you should believe neither of them, and try to find out the facts for yourself!
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I can’t believe how a 7 minute waffle can in any way be described as an answer.More proof of Salmond’s status as a busted flush.Yet more ammo for the No side.Thanks.
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Perhaps he should have said that, and he’d have been answering the question. But he didn’t say it, and he didn’t answer the question.
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Salmond failed to answer the question. He gave a response but he failed to answer the question. The point Nick Robinson was making related to the fact that leaders of business were saying one thing and Salmond the other and why should Scottish voters believe Salmond – he dodged the question and like politicians the world over, launched into a diatribe of rhetoric.
Quite often it is necessary for political commentators play devils advocate and ask difficult, probing questions – the questions that we would want to ask ourselves . . . It doesn’t portray bias. Furthermore, Robinson didn’t make the statement that Salmond failed to answer he went on to briefly explain the response that Salmond did give.
Salmond is like all politicians both north and south of the border . . . . .
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we are in the middle of an #indyref debate…you knew what i meant by my 3.43 reply so you thought you turn the implications around thus informing me et al, that you do get it!
if the cap fits wear it f f…goodbye!
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OBD – You posted a video clip, but you’re not even vaguely interested in the debate it’s taken from. As soon as you’re questioned about that clip you say “goodbye” and refuse any debate. Your mind is clearly not open.
P.S. The Sheridan clip you posted contains no debate whatsoever. It was simply a rant. He didn’t even take any questions.
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Racist ignorant fucking twat. Due to the fact I didnt make it entirely clear that I’m talking about you Nigel, I’m talking about you. As an aside, go and look up “old boy” its got nothing to do with age. Of course I’m assuming you didn’t have a superior Scottish education, so you can be forgiven for such astronomical levels of stupidity.
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I received an e-mail from better together thanking me for signing up!! I Hadn’t !!! I wrote to them to them and am waiting for their reply.
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peter
the blogger clearly disagrees with your pov…so rather than just say he didn’t answer the question, as you do…can you please explain your reasoning so that we can all understand what your reasoning is?
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The onus is on those who think that Salmond *did* answer the question — they need merely point to what he said that (as another commenter put it above) would fill the blank in: ““The voters should listen to me rather than businesses because…..”. All that I could do is list everything that he did say, thus demonstrating that none of it counted as an answer to the question — but then, one need only listen to Salmond direct;y. He did the usual politican-style prevaricating, such as claim that the *real* point is something else (people have moved on from that), etc. — but even if one believed him that’s not an answer.
I have no axe to grind in this; I feel little but contempt for those on both sides of the question who claim that the answer is obvious and simple, and that anyone who holds a different view is therefore in some way stupid or bad. It’s a complex issue, with arguments on both sides. This claim about Robinson is at the level of much of the “debate” I’ve seen recently — just intellectually dishonest hot air. But then, the stuff about businesses leaving Scotland, and an independent Scotland being unable to survive economically seems also to be laregely if not wholly dishonest fear-mongering. It’s been a depressing time for anyone who’d like to have heard genuine, intelligent, honest debate about the issues of independence versus continuing union.
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peter
ok, so where is in your opinion the truthful debate to be found…as i see it, the core issue is the vitality giving human right to vitals of life, and how this is best achieved…
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If I may quote a Nick Robinson parody account
“Of course I’m not a liar. @AlexSalmond didn’t answer my question. Taking a question apart and explaining why it’s stupid isn’t answering.l”
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And can you honestly tell me one politician that does?
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here is another version of the blog posts vids, but with an addition edit clip in between them…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EMLOTsimSs
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Nice language Nigel. I take it you are in favour of a reporter manipulating a story and clearly showing his political bias. Or perhaps you are just a silly wee man who doesn’t recognise the truth.
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He did not answer the question directly, he waffled around it, but never said, ‘The Scottish people should listen to me because…’ or anything similar to it. Therefore he didn’t answer the question. You guys actually believe politicians ever give answers to questions???
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Get a life Andromeda… For New Labour read Tory!
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Nick Robinson’s second question was quite hostile, and indeed never got an answer. Instead he got a hostile reply which met with support from the home team in the audience. Do not imagine for a moment that it was the international media, to which Alex Salmond so “casually” refers, that was doing the clapping. But from the hostility of Salmond’s reply and the accusations of bias I suspect that it is the « Yes » campaign that’s running a bit scared.
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northcarr and ian
will you answer the question put to salmond please?
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on September 12, 2014 at 10:14 am
In fairness, he didn’t answer the question of why we should believe a politician over those in charge.
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Mike on September 12, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Those in charge of billions of pounds of profits, he said. Those profits are the extra penny that you pay for your bag of sugar, the extra penny you pay on you clothing, on your electricity, not only those things but the interest on the extra £2000 borrowing per head per year that is spent on keeping the country run “efficiently”. Yes why would you not trust the people who are sucking the ability for government to operate for the people and making government work for them, and by proxy everyone else to work for them too. Why not. Let’s have a referendum and put the head of RBS in power, I am sure that whomever they are will be able to right our ship in no time whatsoever.
You can try selling the dreams of our children for profits today, but you will meet resistance.
And I quote
“In its annual results, RBS made a £1.9bn provision for fines and damages relating to mis-selling mortgage bonds in the US, as well as other penalties relating to market manipulation. But the bank fears the fines could exceed this amount.”
source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27234148
I trust anyone that is doing things that can incur a £1.9 Billion fine payable by the taxpayer. Good job guys.
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The question was intended to annoy, rather than to obtain an illuminating answer. It succeeded in its purpose.
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I am English born and bred now farming in Scotland I am truly ashamed of the Westminster river of lies and deception,I was not going to vote, as I did consider the Scottish Independence Referendum a matter for the Scottish people to consider and vote on for themselves freely, now our whole family have met together and we will be voting Yes! We all feel that Scotland needs to be free from the Westminster Vipers!
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Again it might not have been the answer nick was looking for but the way it was reported clearly said he didn’t give an answer which was a complete lie.
Not the first time the bbc have been guilty of this you just had to watch the reporting on the situation in gaza and their own investigation into Saville to realise they are far from impartial about anything
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He REPLIED, in terms as hostile as the question had been put. He did not ANSWER the question “Why…..etc. ” Nick Robinson was perfectly right.
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Perhaps in future Mr Robinson can conclude every report he does in the same manner:
Mr Cameron did not answer the question
Mr Clegg did not answer the question
Mr Milliband did not answer the question.
It seems to me that the answer he got was a fairly typical politicians response..in fact if this passes as journalism I could easily get a political correspondents job at the bbc and im not even that smart…!!!!
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Listening to what Alex Salmon said in response to Nick Robinson, it is fair to say that he answered a question which wasn’t actually asked. Nick Robinson was essentially saying that his answer did not address the specifics of the question asked. Given the importance of the Scots understanding the longer term implications of this referendum, I think Salmon’s arguments are coming under a bit more scrutiny than normal and rightly so!
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As per above – Alex Salmon was asked a question about why Scottish voters should trust him, as a Politician when those responsible for major investments in Scotland are of the view that those investments will be threatened by a vote for independence. I didn’t hear him answer that question, all I heard him do was challenge the view of those persons as being incorrect. So when Nick Robinson states he didn’t answer the question it would be fair to say he is right, he merely reiterated his disagreement with what they are saying!
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It’s ‘Salmond’.
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Tony
Either way. if you live here, you have a stake in Scotland’s future. Some of us were born here, you chose to be here, a commitment.
You have as much say as I so welcome aboard
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The supposedly unanswered question is a ‘when did you stop beating your wife?’ one.
That is, it rests on a perjorative and unproven premiss. A substantial portion at the very least are more happy to listen to Salmond than the bankers (who are demonstrably untrustworthy anyway) as evidenced by the polls.
One way of answering the wife-beating question is to be seen enjoying good relations with your unblemished spouse. In other words, by demonstration.
Salmond’s demolition of Robinson, showing his misplaced assumptions about the mechanics of corporation tax and the practical consequences of the nominal ‘relocation’ of bank HQs, was such an answer. Salmond demonstrated that he (unlike Robinson!) was in command of the facts and presented his unruffled attitude to the situation.
What better answer could he give, without embarking on some egotistical sounding trumpeting of his own cv and credentials?
What answer would you give, if some random person accosts you and demands: “why should I trust you?”
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Aye, shocking, indeed, which led me to write my first ever complaint to the BBC! I might accept the bias if they at least stated openly that they are championing the cause of ‘Better Together’ and our wonderfully transparent and honest Westminster government. I am beginning to believe that the majority of those living in Scotland are clever enough to see beyond this partial reporting. Certainly with each new ‘scare story’, it would appear that the BBC and other mainstream media sources are convincing more voters to vote in favour of independence. Bravo!
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Just vote Yes , Yes and Yes. Westminster and the BBC are corrupt they don’t care about Scotland our its people. This clip is only one instance of how they are trying to hoodwink the Scottish people to vote no. Just watch the clip and how it was reported and come to your own conclusion.
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There were no specifics of the question asked. It was a rhetorical question, and a political not journalistic question, intended to make Alex Salmond look bad (and it failed), not to elucidate, illuminate, clarify, unearth or uncover truth. It was a partisan question. Nick Robinson’s question acknowledges no political role on the part of the business interests in bed with the Tories who are seeking to paint a bleak economic picture of Scotland’s economic prospects following a Yes vote on independence. Nick Robinson’s contribution to the press conference serves journalism and the BBC’s admittedly tarnished reputation for impartiality very badly indeed.
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If he felt the question he asked hadn’t been answered and he didn’t want to play the answer he got then he should have made that clear not made it seem like he got no answer at all. British politicians rarely answer the question they’re asked, if you’re lucky the answer is related to the question, as this one was, and they usually broadcast those answers anyhow
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Firstly he’s a politician and politicians rarely give an answer to the question. Answers are usually preceded by “but first let me say”. Secondly, we should trust SOME of what he says, and whilst businesses have the right to use scare tactics the fact remains that Alex Salmond is an Economist and a reasonably good one. He’s been saying for over 30 years Scotland can do better as an independent country.He’s been right all that time while Westminster, businesses and the banks claimed he was wrong. He is right, ALL the evidence supports this. The Financial Times has reported recently that the UK treasury will LOSE $40 billion annually if Scotland votes yes.It also said that although treasury spending is higher per person in Scotland than anywhere else in the UK, it would be MUCH higher per person in an independent Scotland.
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Just remind me …How long ago was it since these repected bankers and business investors brought this country and many others to their knees ?
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well well well, what have we here…
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What one question should the journalist have asked that would have been interesting and shown an impartial view?
Also, as if Nick Robinson edits his own stories? There is a non-editorial tech guy cutting it up on FCP, he’s probably completely unaware of the shit storm he’s made in the long drawn out whinge fest.
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On here is the whole Indyref debate in a nutshell: lots of people looking at the same thing and coming up with completely different interpretations. A point I would make about Nick Robinson is that I rather think he wouldn’t be accusing Cameron or Miliband of not answering his question, or if he did venture to do so, wouldn’t bang on about it quite as much. It has been a feature of BBC coverage that Yes campaign statements have been treated more critically than No campaign statements which are taken as facts rather than, in one example I heard, ‘bluff and bluster’ when referring to Alex Salmond. This is partial and biased reporting by anybody’s measure and it should concern everyone because the next time the BBC shows partiality and bias it might be against a cause or an argument you hold dear.
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That is despicable .no level playing fields in this campaign
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What frustrates me most is that this type of editing is prevalent in the BBC – the Palestinian conflict was a perfect example of how we the public are manipulated into following the governments agenda and excuse excessive force and loss of civilian lives. It is like we are living with a North Korean propaganda machine ! It is only when you see these lies on mainstream media that you realise that they are lies. I believed in the lady throwing babies out of incubators and thought going to war with Iraq was right – turns out she was an actress! I cried my eyes out at the twin towers attack and couldnt believe that was another false flag – But it was and that truth will come out. The media has made it now that anyone who says things like this is viewed as mad or radical or a conspiracy theorist but its not a conspiracy it’s true https
://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1475456856067902set=p.1475456856067902&type=1&theater
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Putting a question like that to a politician is obviously rhetorical. He’s not going to say ‘I’m more trustworthy than these businessmen because…’. He’d be roundly criticised for that. What Salmond did was question the entire premise of the question. The BBC have made out that RBS moving its brass plaque will be a problem, Salmond stated his reasons why this was a false assumption, backed up with evidence from the RBS statement. He pointed out that other significant figures in the financial world refute the suggestion that Scotland will suffer upon gaining independence. Incedentally, the John Lewis boss stated that, if a number of significant things change, prices could CHANGE in relation to UK prices. This was widely reported by the BBC as a statement inferring that prices could rise. Again, a misrepresentation. Salmond also poses the question of whether the BBC can be trusted. It was an excellent and comprehensive response which was subsequently edited out of the news report. Shame on the BBC.
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Your ‘Independent’ BBC. (Who actually don’t like independence!)
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I don’t understand why people feel that Alex Salmond did not answer the question. He made the very clear point that business men are being manipulated or at least influenced by politicians. Specifically their comments are part of an orchestrated campaign from No. 10. Which seems quite plausible and cuts to the heart of the question.
Even more outrageously the BBC failed to acknowledge this in their formal response . http://www.bbc.co.uk/…/complaint/alexsalmondrbsquestion/
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@andromeda077342014 yadayada in an attempt to release your from your perpetual loop here can I perhaps pose the same question to you as nick Robinson posed to Alex Salmond…why should scottish voters trust a bunch of self interested millionaires who, enabled by Westminster’s deregulation of the financial sector, brought the country to its knees over a democratically elected first minister of Scotland?
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The bbc claim this to be completely impartial and valid. Time to stop paying the tv license I think.
“Nick Robinson’s report showed the second question on trust, with a script line noting that Mr Salmond had not answered that point.
Mr Salmond’s answer on tax was lengthy. Since it was not possible to use it in full in a short news report, a series of clips were included making his central points – the job implications of the re-location of RBS, the accusation that the Treasury broke rules by briefing market sensitive information and his request that the BBC should co-operate with an enquiry. In addition Nick Robinson’s script pointed out that the First Minister said there would be no loss of tax revenue.
The BBC considers that the questions were valid and the overall report balanced and impartial, in line with our editorial guidelines.”
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Linda, they’ve been asking me to canvass with them for about a week. I did get an answer, but only by implying that my ‘friend’ was thinking of voting yes after reading their website. I’m still waiting on the answer about my friend’s pension, that would be required to have full funding after independence, but does not under UK rule.
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INDY RALLY LIVE FROM WALES…
http://new.livestream.com/IndependenceLive/walesyes
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an excellent read… http://wingsoverscotland.com/to-my-friends-in-labour/
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SERMON ON THE MOUND
“UNDECIDED” – What voting “NO” might / will mean!
“NO Thanks” to the European Union
“NO Thanks” to a free National Health Service
“NO Thanks” to free further education
“NO Thanks” to enhanced preschool child care
“NO Thanks” to getting Mothers back into employment
“NO Thanks” to Scotland’s bonus of North Sea Oil
“NO Thanks” to voting for our own Government
“NO Thanks” to a fairer, caring society
“NO Thanks” to being part of and having your say in your future.
FORGET the FEAR
For now abideth these three – FAITH, HOPE and a FAIRER SOCIETY
And the greatest of these is a FAIRER SOCIETY
Come and JOIN US, for WE are YOUR future. This is OUR SCOTLAND
What will YOU do on THURSDAY to make you feel PROUD
Vote “YES” for a free Independent Scotland
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How dare you call me, and other Yes voters, dimwitted!! You are doing the Tory and BBC way – assuming, and that’s what makes Yes voters fairer and more connected with their country.
And you wonder why we want Independence?
Alex Salmond answered the questions – the BBC have lied, end of!
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I don’t watch any kind of television, and especially the BBC and I don’t listen to the radio. I don’t pay a licence and haven’t done for 8 years and never will again. I am honest and declare to the corporation and I have no kind of box or aerial going to my tv. I use my tv to watch dvds and nothing else. I wouldn’t be surprised that the licence fee will be overhauled or banished, as it should be, as they have kept the news away from the public and have misled them all along since the last election!
You have to think as well, the licence payer actually pays the BBC’s wages, and if everyone stopped paying they’d be in a hell of a lot of trouble.
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Several people appears to have a hang up on wheather Salmond answered the question or not. The following link analyses the answer in detail. While you are visiting the link you may even wish to sign the petition that it presents:
https://www.change.org/p/the-bbc-immediately-suspend-nick-robinson-pending-investigation-for-breach-of-bbc-trust-charter-article-44?recruiter=8169147&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
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I’m disgusted with Nick Robinson and with the BBC – if there are petitions and people from all over the country are talking about it, then it means something. It clearly shows Robinson lying and also shows the truth that the BBC are biased, not just towards the Indy Ref, but to anything that the government tell them to give out as news.
Personally, I think that Scotland, after winning Independence, should maybe get another news station that tells the truth about Scotland and it’s people, as well as the news abroad, but without any bias.
I’m English, live in beautiful Scotland and an voting Yes! There is no other way to vote for the future of this wonderful country!
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Nick Robinson must go – he lied, on national television and deserves to be punished. He can no longer be trusted as a journalist of any kind. If the BBC don’t take him to task, then it shows the bias of the BBC themselves.
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/independent-enquiry-into-bbc-bias-regards-scottish-independence-referendum
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the facts are very simple Scotland will never become independent. personally i would love them to but the sad facts are that with their currency and monetary polices as they stand the risks are to high and on polling day that will have to hit home for the voter and once their heads engage to that fact they will vote no to independence
independence was never on the cards that is only determined by big business who believe you as a country are going places Scotland has never been that mainly because of bad government in London
Scotland however could be wealthy with a strong future but it is uncharted waters so the real question is could the likes of Alex Salmond make it a country and that we will never know as it isn’t going to never happen
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nick
oh really, these were the scenes in glasgow today as 1000’s took to the streets…there were similar scenes all over scotland today.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etKV3uZ-CeE
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Can the BBC, known to have hidden serial child pedophiles and pederasts within its ranks for decades, be trusted?
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jay
scene’s in inveryess today… https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=517934981676182
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in perth today… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrwc2sEktzQ&feature=youtu.be
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As i said above the reality is uncertain and big business calls the shot at the end of the day Alex Salmond means well i mean well but that amounts to nothing in reality
Scotland becoming independent would mean getting rid of David Cameron as well now that would be a blessing as he is ultimately responsible for all of the mess this country is now in on everything across the board
Personally i do hope Scotland say yes to independence as living under David Cameron ideals are very depressing for many so i fully understand how the Scots are feeling but is Alex Salmond the real deal as he is not like myself in any way shape or form mores the pity
You need to be a very special type of caring and considerate person to take a country forward and I am not at all sure Alex Salmond is that man?
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nick
have a word with yourself look where we are!
i voted with my heart AND my head……i have no idea if you have a vote?
we must all ultimately make judgement’s on what we see hear and feel..we have election subject to indy may 2016…97% are registered to vote many who have never voted since the poll tax and even before that… a total of 4.3m voters, there are over 400 yes grassroots groups that have no affiliation with the snp and many don’t gaf about the snp…it is way beyond salmond and the snp now…people are not concerned with currency issues etc anymore nor what WM thinks, we are way beyond that now…
no one can deny that we and salmond etc brought us to this point though!
we don’t need salmond to care for us, or take us forward, that is the electorates job, if you think otherwise, you are not getting it!
we are voting for democracy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6n5frTgrZ8
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yet another oil boss is voting yes… http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/independence-referendum-backing-no-would-4193182?utm_content=bufferd63f4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Robinsons job is to report the news as it happens and as a BBC reporter without bias or opinion. Does the BBC forget that the people of Scotland pay a licence fee the same as the rest of the UK and deserve the same impartiality. Robinson should remember that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. The BBC is itself under scrutiny and investigation for institutional lies and cover ups over its handling of the Saville case, I personally trust Alex Salmond more than the BBC.
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i see your point but as i say come voting day my gut feeling is that the no vote will win for the very reasons that i have stated. the only reason that Scotland has come to this point is because of years of neglect from Westminster and although Alex Salmond makes a good case for independence he is only stating what the likes of myself would state to get into power
He is unknown on the world stage and ultimate that is where he will be judged not in Scotland
should Scotland become independent however he will find how difficult life is to implement his manifesto as any leanings on the left however noble are fraught with failure as the world at this time is on the right and getting extreme hence ukip doing well
There are no genuine mp’s at this time the likes of John smith/ Tony benn / Michael Foot for labour are sadly know longer with us
i myself have known many mp’s from the sixties and they are the only 3 that i would call decent so if Alex Salmond is in that mould then yes but if not and he turns out like ed milliband or the like then Scotland will never be able to go forward and will just stagnate
you have to remember that a good talker is normally as in history the wrong person it’s the subtlety and modesty of the person that is key to greatness
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Well…since Alex Salmond had applause rwice from a room full of international reporters…i believe Mr Salmond answered as clearly as he could. It was good enough for them..but not BBC?? Plus there is huge difference saying he did not answer….. to what was said..even if he did not agree with Mr Salmond.
i feel the BBC have been very unprofessional throughout whole campaign. Yesterday there were thousands in the streets in Glasgow City Centre…thousands!! But BBC reported on small better together group?? I do not understand this. It is trying its hardest for rest of world not to see what is happening..but it is not working!!!!! So unprofessional on all accounts.
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nick
this is NOT an election….do you have a vote? ie are you involved in the scot indy movement?
my gut feeling is that yes will win and salmond and others will do an excellent job they have not failed us yet and have already proved themselves to be master tacticians….
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I make it about 17% of Labour’s seats in Westminster are from Scotland, not 70 to 80%
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no i am not a Scottish voter i am a retiree from the bank of england with a vast knowledge of what goes on behind closed doors with much regret is never good
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I haven’t read every single email here – but Alex DID answer all of Nick’s questions. In the exceedingly short, BBC version of the discussion, Nick DID NOT read out his whole question put to Alex, which was in two parts. Nick only read out a section of the second part of the question – to which he never expected an answer – that section of the second part of the question was rhetorical! Some might say that he only added this small section so that he could mis-quote Alex.
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dammed if you do dammed if you don’t, not quite..we see a gap opening up, a small chink of light, and we are going for it..vote yes…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ZkWlGlfv0 25 mins ago in aberdeen…
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There is a petition for the BBC to suspend Nick Robinson over his breach of the BBC Charter – at change(dot)org – currently with over 14000 petitioners https://www.change.org/p/the-bbc-immediately-suspend-nick-robinson-pending-investigation-for-breach-of-bbc-trust-charter-article-44
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I have come late into this. The BBC has already responded to earlier complaints, focussing on its right to edit out Salmond’s lengthy reply. They have however failed to address Nick Robinson’s comment, which if not an outright lie is IMO sufficiently misleading to be libellous. I think Salmond should sue in a Scottish court. he won’t get the same punitive damages as in an English court but he will be acting in the broader public interest. I am English but the BBC is so biassed over so many issues that they really need an effective challenge. I ask anyone who feels like I do to write to the Scottish Ministers.
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Can anyone tell me why the political editor of the BBC would benefit by ridiculing Mr Salmond, as seems to be the suggestion. He asked a fair question which was not answered. Why should we believe you Mr Salmond? Giving a lecture on corporation tax ( which – by the way – was a very misleading and simplistic version of the truth) and attacking the BBC for misinformation and scaremongering was not an answer to that question, I suggest that there is probably an equal amount of misinformation and doctoring of statistics being dished out by both sides. The question remains – Why should we believe you Mr Salmond instead of believing men who are responsible for billions of pounds of profit? The reason that Mr Salmond didn’t answer is plain. These men who are responsible for billions of pounds of profit are in that position because they are aware of the financial implications of issues such as Scottish independence. You cannot simply dismiss their expertise. Mr Salmond could not answer the question because he knows that, not only should Scottish people be believing these men, Mr Salmond should be believing to them too.
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Well if this was the case then they should as an unbiased platform show the answer he gave so that the pubic could make up their mind if he answered the question or not – I had seen the original press conference in its entirety and so by saying he didn’t answer was a CENSORSHIP and totally wrong if we live with a free press not with an editorial which shows quite clearly that the BBC is biased and complicit in supporting an agenda.
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Nope. Mr Salmon did did not answer the question. Mind you he rarely does. Can you imagine breakfast at his house. “There are no kippers today Al. Do you have an alternative in mind?…..
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Clearly deliberately misleading.
Whether you believe the question was answered adequately or not, it was certainly responded to, the BBC video makes it appear that it was not, this is the point of deceit, let’s be clear on that.
The validity of the answer \ question is another matter entirely.
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Nick Robinson, is a life long, career Tory supporter. Could never be impartial and should resign or be sacked. He continually misrepresents situations, including so called questions shouted at length to Farage, remember that one! Everyone in Scotland, Yes or No should complain to the BBC. How many other stories, do the BBC bend, misrepresent, censor or ignore on a daily basis.
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I don’t think Alex did answer Nick’s question. He used Nick’s question to raise so called BBC’s briefing of market sensitive information. I think the way Nick Robinson summarised this in the clip you posted is quite fair.
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corporation tax is a tax on activity not just on the country your based in is this man an idiot
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What makes me laugh in the posts here, are the ones saying Alex didn’t answer the question, totally stupid remarks. Nobody would answer such a pathetic question. It would be like asking anyone, why are you bad at your job or why should I believe you. So why should we believe any of the better together supporters, or why should we believe the finacial sector. Dumb question loaded to win a point. Well done Alex for not answering that part.
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Stop crying and get over it! One minor variation in opinion hardly constitutes being caught red handed in the totality of the campaign. It doesn’t take much to nibble at the chip some Scots carry around.
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The Scottish voters should listen to me rather than Scottish businesses BECAUSE [I am a democratically elected first minister whom the people of Scotland elected to run the country? ] ”
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I’d be interested to know what *answer* from Salmond would have satisfied andromeda077342014 as being a proper answer?
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What a load of nonsence. Salmond was asked to explain what qualified him over business experts. At no point was this answered; instead just like any politician, Salmond answered the question he wanted to answer not the one Robinson quotes in his piece. Robinson even heckled him Paxman style for not answering. The schoolboy error from NR however was the fact that he asked a multi-point question, leaving far more wiggle room for the professional politician to ignore bits he wanted to.
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Salmond was pointing out that the question contained factual inaccurancies, I had no respect for him at all before watching this, I have a little now, I think he answerd it well.
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Only seen this on the 18th – sadly too late to influence the VOTE – but to be remembered for a LONG time as a standard (?) BBC practice……
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This particular point aside the general question of BBC bias should concern everyone including the No camp. The BBC should be impartial and unbiased period; and it is no good just smugly sitting back and lapping it up when they happen to be biased in your favour. And a prime example of the ‘art’ of spin was the likes of Reid and Carmichael and Darling characterizing the protest outside the BBC in Glasgow as the Yes campaign seeking to influence the BBC’s reporting! Well actually I suppose they were, they were trying to influence the BBC to be fair and unbiased.
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Nick Robinson is a twat pure and simple
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How can you actually answer all those lies the BBC have come up with? He thought the Scottish public would realise that these scare mongrels were lying to them!!!
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I could be as pedantic as yourself and state that your own question was not what the reporter asked. He didn’t mention Scottish businesses. He asked about men responsible for £m’s profit. Mr. Salmond answered this by pointing out that these men had been summoned to No.10 before giving out such scaremongering stories – hence answering why the Scottish voters should trust him more than these manipulative self-serving £m’s profiteering “men” Did you even listen to the question or the answer?
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The BBC need thourogh investigation ; the uk is not becoming , it already is a state run country ; and the media are controlled by it ! It’s a disgrace
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