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(not satire – it’s the UK today!)
Here’s a video of a police officer being used to inspect passengers’ tickets on a bus in Manchester:
Some people might still be naive enough to think our police officers are paid out of our taxes to protect us from crime.
The reality is, the police are not catching people who are raping children, for example, but are being used to enforce corporate and private business interests instead.
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I wonder: what would the legal basis be for demanding to see a ticket? The bus company would be entitled to do so for obvious reasons, but what about the police?
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Just to clarify, whilst not buying a ticket is actually a criminal offense – not just a civil one – what rights do the police have to engage in fishing expeditions?
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Nothing new here. This is normal procedure for ticket inspections in London. My 29yr old daughter was even wrestled to the ground with her 2yr old son looking on, whilst trying to protest her innocence at not having “tapped in” with her valid oyster card.
I think the reasoning is that police are deployed to “keep the peace” and protect the inspectors.
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They can keep the peace without doing the inspectors job for them surely?
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If you look at the video you will see they are not actually DOING the inspector’s job – but the fact they are even there at all is indeed an example of the insidious creep of the police state into our everyday lives.
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He was working for TRANSPORT police. They are 95% funded by private RAIL companies, not by bus operators. So we have to ask what he was doing here?
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“The reality is, the police are not catching people who are raping children, for example, but are being used to enforce corporate and private business interests instead.”
They can’t go after paedophile MPs (they “lost” 114 files) nor could they go after predatory paedophiles for “cultural sensitivities”
However, a family take their sick child out of hospital, seeking treatment elsewhere and whaddya know the police force (here & interpol) are on the ball!
Words fail me at the stupidity of this.
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This should be quite controversial. The bus company has a right to control tickets and anyone found not to be in possession of a valid ticket “may be” committing a criminal offence. I say “may be” because the circumstances have to be reported and investigated to ascertain if an offence has been committed. The police may be required to attend to assist the inspector to ascertain the identity of the accused and to “prevent” a breach of the peace. The police involvement prior to this situation and as a chaperone of the ticket inspector would have to be sanctioned higher up due to a specific threat of a criminal offence and/or breach of the peace. Random action by a police officer would contravene PACE. There has to be more than a suspicion (otherwise it old style suslaw)! A police officer must provide name, rank, number and police station when challenged to do so. This could be considered as a “Stop and Search” under PACE. A police officer in the course of his beat duties may of course hop on a bus, but to chaperone and assist a ticket inspector is not one of duties.
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i think its because an inspector cant phiscally remove from the buss if they havent got a ticket where as a policeman can.
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although in the video he states quite clearly that he is working for Greater Manchester police. Also as a rule BTP do not have jurisdiction on buses
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What a disgrace, terrorists are taking this country over and all these are bothered about is a bloody bus ticket, makes you wonder what else is going on.
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Perhaps this should be titled “Police assist muggers”. After all PUBLIC transport is no longer public and the private bus operators are certainly “mugging off” – to use current slang for ripping off / cheating / stealing from – their so-called customers!
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Typical of our Corporate State. The main role of the police today seems to be protect the interests of the ruling elite and their corporate string-pullers. Basically Corporatism, or to use the term we used to use: Fascism.
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I know this route well. There is usually a gang of Police Officers with an inspector, as opposed to just the one in this vid’
The Police Service then invoice the transport company for payment of their services, for which they make a profit………… its just business folks, or money for old rope?
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Are you serious? That needs putting a stop to! Mind you I suppose the bus company would rather pay for actual coppers – (as News International, etc seem to have considered the norm) than hire dangerous clowns like G4S….
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Given the competance of some members of the various police forces – this strikes me as probably the best use for them. Either that or standing in the the cardboard cutouts when they need a break.
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To be fair to the companies, maybe their staff faced violence and got beaten up or worse for trying to eject fare dodgers? That would explain the need to get the police in.
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We had 2 police officers force their way into my home accompanied by 2 tv licence people,i asked why the police were involved and told by one of the pc’s we are assisting our colleagues ! the tv licence people showed me their search warrant,i tried to explain to the pc’s that tv licensing are a private company and they shouldn’t be assisting them,to be told we’re only here to prevent a breach of the peace
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I’d scrap the TV license if it was up to me.
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Exactly, that is their “catch-all” for being anywhere, a bit like Section 5 being used to arrest anyone for anything at anytime.
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Do you watch any BBC programmes? Or listen to BBC radio 1,2,3,4, etc.? You do realise that the licence is what funds them – and is NOT a tax. None of it goes to the government, all to the BBC. Thought not. And, btw, if you watch Sky, same deal. The Beeb pay to put their programming on the bird, where they and ITV are the most watched channels.
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the only thing that should happen here is that you should ask ‘Do you oficer believe i have an invalid ticket, or no ticket’,…any other reason for asking to see your ticket would be either someone acting as a ticket inspector , in which case isn’t this officer working 2 jobs ??,..being paid to be police officer whilst acting as an inspector,.?…or you are being stopped under the old sus law.. Try refusing to show your valid ticket to a non bus employee as you have contracted with the bus company by hiring its service and NOT with the police. :),.tell the officer if he believes you have committed a crime he can arrest you,..and you can sue his arse off in court.,..see if that wipes the smile off his face,.:) 🙂 🙂
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and as for TV licenses John,….STOP WATCHING TV,..it’s full of shit and rots your brain,…..whatsmore,. there’s a whole internet of stuff out there to ammuse and educate yourself with,….but,…if you watch Eastenders or any other brand of eyewash then you deserve all you get in my little black book,..rofl
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Gum chewing thug.
Since 2000, all chewing gum has contained aspartame. This is a mind altering chemical.
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David – It’s VERY clear that British Transport Police do NOT have jurisdiction on buses, and they MUST have reasonable suspicion that a criminal offence has been committed anyway. Look at the web site http://www.btp.police.uk/.
The sinister question is why did this policeman even get on that bus? Is he just acting of his own volition, or did his superiors tell him to do this? He’s obviously not the sharpest tool in the box, so I suspect the latter……
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The thing is of course, just like our government put the needs and wants of business above the electorate, we see at a local level the support of business above people.
Watch some YouTube Videos of Bailiff home repossessions or Fracking demo’s to see the British Bobby in action.
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I stand totally bewildered, I can not believe I have just watched this, where the hell is it going to end,anarchy !!!!!!!!!!!
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Anarchy then fascism and a one world army and government under 24 hr surveillance in human settlements courtesy of Agenda 21.
Been in the pipeline for years unless we wake up and stop it!
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Operation of buses has been subject to various Acts of Parliament since the 1920’s.
They place legal obligations on companies, employees and passengers- most of which passengers are blissfully unaware. If a passenger is behaving illegally- anything from fare dodging to violence and the driver cannot settle the situation WITHOUT RISK to him/herself, they are directed by law to summon the assistance of the police. No one is doing anything wrong in the video (unless defrauding the company of its revenue). The barrack room lawyer at the beginning is, as is usually the case, talking through the final part of his alimentary canal. The bus crews do not have powers of arrest. They are not- and never have been- “public servants”. People
generally do not approve of shoplifting, not least because it puts up prices. Fare dodging is exactly the same, so why moan when a police officer gets involved?
Everything else is a matter of opinion
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Utter nonsense. Read my post.
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Terrorists are taking over the country? Bit late mate, they’ve been in government for four years.
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iain
are you seriously suggesting that everyone on the high street is frisked for stolen goods?
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Iain – You’re completely wrong. The police officer got on the bus and interrogated passengers BEFORE there was any suggestion that anything illegal had happened.
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Sorry, I hadn’t grasped that. Thanks for pointing that out.
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You said that, not me.
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I haven’t had a tv licence for coming up to 8 years now. I don’t watch tv of any kind, I don’t listen to the radio and I don’t buy newspapers.
I declare every two years that I have no aerial or any kind of box going into my tv. The tv is used only to watch dvds. I can still tick a box for allowing an inspector to come out, which I do, but I don’t have to.
A few months ago 2 tv licence inspectors turned up at my door and I wouldn’t allow them in. The reason? I was alone in the house, I’m disabled and I am a woman. I allow no man to come into the house, (except my relatives), when my husband is out.
If I was pulled over by the police in my adapted car, and they wanted to see my licence etc I would wind the window down just a couple of millimeters and let them talk to me that way. If they wanted to go to the station then I would come home first and get my husband to accompany me.
No one, no matter what power they have, could stop me doing these things, even if they had a court order.
As for you tv again, I wouldn’t pay a penny to the BBC or to Murdoch with Sky.
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Unbloodybelievable! If he is working for the police then he should be out on the streets looking for crime as a hell of a lot of it goes on there!
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Can you believe this? Disgusting!
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iain
you said shoplifting is the same as fare dodging, not me!
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I meant on its impact on prices and therefore the consumer. Pretty simple point, surely? I’m sorry if I could have been clearer.
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OBD, Steve spy who took the film has set himself up to be a thorn in GMP side (as far as im aware at least ) ever since his Teagate arrest by Kehoe at Barton Moss Protection camp against Igas.
He is the bloke in the pig mask and fake uniform , aka Cuntstable (sic) 666 of GiMP.
A much as l love Steves stance, the cynic in me says there is a little bit more to this than meets the eye and there is deliberate obfuscation of the full story …
A known “trouble maker” who knows his rights travelling a certain route?
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He probably jumped on the bus to hid from real criminals!
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typo – hide not hid.
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Jaypot – Do you think it’s a good idea to have some broadcast media which are not funded by advertising?
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Iain – Are you being sarcastic, or are you seriously saying that you spouted off without even understanding the basic premise of the situation?
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Probably
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Finkfurst, i imagine that the policeman’s attitude was purely down to recognition of the guy filming the event- he’s well known to the GMP
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Ulysses – Crap. If that was true then the cop wouldn’t have got on the bus to interrogate passengers in the first place.
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Mr Angry – it’s the Tories’ Corporate State in action. We all must do what we have to do next May.
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I think you been watching too many Tom Cruise fillums, mate- Psychic cops are pure fantasy and a work of fiction.
I’d rather believe Steve has heard of police accompanying the inspectors on this route, and chose to sit on the top deck knowing the odds of being present during one of these swoops were in his favour.
Steve is very well known to the GMP…
The whole thing smacks of confirmation bias.
And no, im no fan of of GMP or any other police force. I have believed for a long time that they are state and corporate enforcers an attitude reinforced under the Thatcher years, Majors criminal justice act, and more recently the police behaviour it the Igas Barton Moss test drilling – not one criminal conviction (as far as im aware) from the mass arrests on trumped up and indeed made up charges during that protest
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Ulysses – So why do you think the policeman got on the bus? Because he knew he would be filmed and he wanted to make himself look like a dickhead???
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No, i imagine he got on the bus to stop the ticket inspector getting the shit kicked out of him.
Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s the reality of things around here. Check out the Manchester evening news yesterday, a 70 year old dog walker got his jaw broke a quarter of a mile from where i type, for asking a speeding driver to slow down. The guy stopped reversed got out and punched a pensioner square in the jaw.
This route, and many of the train and taxi services in Greater Manchester have been plagued by fare dodging, and a couple of year ago the GMPTA decided to get tough, now knowing the mindset of the kind of locals who would be likely to thieve at any given opportunity and have an over proportioned sense of entitlement, they think with their fist after verbal abuse while swearing their innocence.
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Do you think it’s a good idea to have some broadcast media which are not funded by advertising?
Only if it is not ruled by an elite and suceptible to bias and propoganda programming.
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“but the fact they are even there at all is indeed an example of the insidious creep of the police state into our everyday lives”
or its just that his protecting the inspector like you said and has noting to do with the so called “police state” and more to do with crime (just putting that out there)
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or Toryism
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meanwhile members of the public are now being expected to investigate crimes committed against them
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Ulysses. You wrote……..
No, i imagine he got on the bus to stop the ticket inspector getting the shit kicked out of him.
Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s the reality of things around here. Check out the Manchester evening news yesterday, a 70 year old dog walker got his jaw broke a quarter of a mile from where i type, for asking a speeding driver to slow down. The guy stopped reversed got out and punched a pensioner square in the jaw.
This route, and many of the train and taxi services in Greater Manchester have been plagued by fare dodging, and a couple of year ago the GMPTA decided to get tough, now knowing the mindset of the kind of locals who would be likely to thieve at any given opportunity and have an over proportioned sense of entitlement, they think with their fist after verbal abuse while swearing their innocence.
I would like to take you to meet many locals who would tell you that your stereotypical view of them is Bollocks. They will tell you that you are more likely to get the shit kicked out of you by GMP. The article you refer to is not representative of the people who live around here. If you dont work for GMP, i would put money on you being some sort of civil servant. If GMP didn’t act like a militia, as well as revenue raisers, there would be no reason to film them.
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Oh look Dwaynedwee, them non violent non threatening Mancs are at it again. Robbing bus drivers armed with nothing but a cheeky mannerism, shit accent and a smile.
This is 50 yards from where i sit typing this, this time, so yeah i know he residents well. Do you remember 10 or so year back when GMPTA actually stopped the 38 and 36 services due to the number of attacks and kids stoning the buses as they drove past?
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http://salfordonline.com/localnews_page/52300-pictured_knife_wielding_thugs_attempt_robbery_on_little_hulton_bus.html
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Ulysses, your words are so poetic, however, don’t get your knickers in a twist. Try paying attention to what I wrote in response to your comment in which you portrayed everyone in my area as violent thieves… you do appear to have a narrow minded stereo typical view of ‘locals’. I also wrote that the MEN article which you referred to in the same comment is not representative of the people who live around here… which it is not….. Now go and have a lie down, untwist your knickers, and have a think about the point Im trying to make in my comment.
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The Kenyon way Republican army were a small group of LH families, about 5 or 6 i could name / remember- not even 1% of Little hulton, but made a big impression…
The Noonans, the same, Paul Massey… 1 bloke, massive impact. In my opinion the last 2 served Manchester fairly well despite their crime ties, if you had a PMS sticker in your window you knew that if your house got robbed, the boy doing the burg was heading down a deep mine haft never to be seen again and an effort was made to get your stuff back.
What i’m saying is the copper up there is not out to stop the 99%+ ordinary folk going about their business kicking fuck out of that Bus inspector, but one of a handful of nasty dickheads.
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The Kenyon Way Rebublican army???? your having a laugh mate… go and place yourself in an orifice you fukin dildo.
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Fuck me!!! Confront you with uncomfortable facts and your first response is to threaten sexual violence!!!!!
Mancs are all the same it would seem?
Nah, its just a mouthy minority who havent the wit to engege in subjects without resorting to threats and insults, same as every town and city in the UK
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Ok then, i do admit that uncomfortable facts do sometimes make me horny, but i just found it hard to believe that The Kenyan Republican Army had a base in Little Hulton. They would have stood out like sore thumbs… what were their uniforms like?
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Shell suits, trakie bottoms and jeans, it was about 15 to 20 year ago, the Kenyon Arms was flattened and re developed about 15 year ago….
Despite the ridiculous name they made life hell for residents on both sides of the A 6 from the Dun Mare, up to around Walkden –
I clearly remember guns being sold in the Kenyon, and particularly remember the shot gun that killed a security guard at Farnworth Town Hall being touted like id try and sell second hand car, the shot gun was hidden in a van for months after the raid, i could tell you the make model and colour, and the innocent company that owned the vans name…The van driver was a local and was leaned on to hide it.
I’m not saying these people are the ones dodging bus tickets as per the video, but the young ‘uns growing up in their shadow may well be, and it was certainly the kids on Kenyon Way throwing the bricks at buses that ultimately got the 38 and 36 services stopped for a time
I maintain that Greater Manchester has its dark side, and have pointed out some verifiable instances, both present in the news clips, and past that i had the misfortune to witness.
These events represent a very very very small minority of Mancunians, most of us, you included ,just wanting a quiet life. Ordinary people.
You maintain that Manchester is a crime free utopia,
Do you want me to start on what goes on around Weaste on Liverpool Rd next?
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Ive heard about those jeans and tracksuit wearers…. very shady people. I bet they wore trainers aswell.
How many of them was inside the Kenyan Arms when it was flattened? What flattened it?
I believe you ulysses…..,, it is very unlikely than an army like that with so many guns would try to dodge paying their bus fares, but it does sound really bad in the area where you live. You have made it sound like a war zone. I must live in a really quite part of Manchester as there’s only the odd death here and there. If i lived where you live mate id be frightened to go out.
I know you say all this happened a few years ago but you had better be careful what you are saying or you might get a team of bus conductors at you door, on their day off.
Did I really say that Manchester is a crime free utopia, you lost me there mate, whats one of them?
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No, you didnt, it was poetic licence on my part, as i assume you accusing me me of implying the entire population of Greater Manchester to be violent thugs…
But i will draw one thing to your attention…
On you first statement you wrote about the virtues of your neighbourhood, yet when challenged with a different view, your instant reaction was to throw insults and threats of sexual violence. And you are apparently one of the good ones as you say.
Can you imagine what would happen on a bus when an GMPTA inspector confronts some cunt who is a nasty piece of work, if one of the nicer denizens of the region doing nothing whatsoever illegal or immoral, conversing on an internet blog tells a complete stranger to go and fuck themself?
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Ulysses. Have you been drinking mate? I have not threatened you with sexual violence you doughnut. Are you on some kind of wind up? are you taking the piss out of me without me knowing?…….. just because i have not experienced or seen the kind of violence which surrounds your everyday life this doesn’t mean that i am as daft as you.
I cant help the fact that i see only nice friendly people in the part of Manchester where i live.
Can you clarify the final paragraph of your last comment as i cant understand what you mean, what you are trying to say or how that relates to the Kenyan Liberation Army….
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Again you lead with insults?
The last bit of the paragraph in my last statement relates only to you.
The defunct gang mentioned earlier was to illustrate there are some nasty pieces of work walking the streets.
I stated that these people are very much a minority
Your view was challenged, and you became abusive, insulting and confrontational. If you don’t consider your phrase about dildos and orifices to be sexually abusive, i can categorically tell you you are wrong.
You had no reason to become confrontational, yet repeatedly you do, your reaction seems instinctual. And you are self described as “one of the good ones”
Now extrapolate that, change the situation and try to imagine some scally on the bus with an even worse attitude than the sentiment you displayed earlier, trying to rip off the fare.
Imagine this happen on more than one occurence, enough to concern the Dirctors of Greater Manchester Transport Authority to be concerned about the welfare and working conditions of its members of staff
Id imagine the inspector got more than a little pissed off hearing abuse day after day, and if the verbal abuse escalated to actual assaults, can you now see or at least try to imagine why the guy had a police escort?
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Ulysses, i hold my hands up mate….. i had completely forgotten about the orifice and the dildo phrase……. I now see what you mean when you said i that i had threatened you with sexual violence. Sorry about that mate. I wasn’t being confrontational, i really thought that you were taking the piss out of me and so i suppose i became a bit defensive.
I can now see things from your point of view. I imagined myself as a scally ripping off fares again and again and again… i imagined everything you said and i thought about why the Inspector wanted a Policeman Escort, but at that point i stopped. Life can be a nightmare on the buses.
Ulysses, i can see by the way that you scribe and by your range of vocabulary that you are a pretty well educated guy, which University did you attend?
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