(not satire – it’s the UK today)
Did you know that 9 out of 10 of the poorest areas in northern Europe are in the UK:
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Interestingly, the richest area – inner London – also belongs to us.
Which says everything you need to know about the UK today.
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Data compiled by Inequality Briefing.
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Pride's Purge 
The people that edit and write for the mainstream press can afford private healthcare perhaps
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I don’t think this compilation holds much water. Groningen is named in the richest areas list, while it is the poorest place in the Netherlands. Something’s off there. My guess is that the gas production in Groningen is taken as “wealth” for Groningen, but that wealth is not staying there in reality.
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Staffordshire has many towns with poor of all ages within them.
The list is correct for the rest of England and not just west but south Wales as well.
Food banks are increasing vastly in England Wales.
Not just inner but suburban London has extremes of poverty, mostly caused by wages stagnate to 2002 levels and a massive loss of benefit that is nil food money and cause hospital extreme starvation, risen 70 per cent since 2010.
All major cities have many areas where the bulk of population struggle to make ends meet of all ages. And these appear to be nice suburbs.
Staffordshire has a rise in TB from poor housing. Stoke is deemed poor, yet Stafford Cannock and other old coal mining towns are just as poor.
Even seemingly posh villages in the countryside, hold old farmhouses and social housing in which live the poor needing food banks, but cut off from them by poor public transport.
The next generation of pensioners now in late 50s / early 60s denied state pension payout since 2013 women (6 years and more of payout) and men 1 year of payout from 65 to 66, are the poorest since the state pension began.
Many women and the poorest workers will GET NO STATE PENSION FOR LIFE
women born from 1953 and men born from 1951
housewives, divorcees, and widows
and even someone turning 80 in 2016
and vast majority will get even less than our lowest state pension in richest nations
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/state-pension-at-60-now
Having spent a lifetime driving through northern Europe, England and Wales are far far poorer, and more like the roads of modern austerity mired Greece or the poor housing in small towns of southern Italy, and other such nations economically destroyed by the EU government and International Monetary Fund combined.
England and Wales have the poorest pensioners and the poorest in work who are the bulk of those needing food banks.
In wealthy northern Europe and indebted southern Europe, councils run free cafes
7 days a week and feed poor pensioners, working poor and unemployed equally with a daily hot meal and hot drink.
If you are hungry one day, you are hungry every day.
Labour should be riding high insterad of just a few poll points ahead of the Tories.
My only hope as a welfare and pension reform sufferer are The Greens’ 2015 manifesto pledge:
– universal non-means tested Citizen Income, non-withdrawable, in or out of work.
If Labour added that to their general election manifesto and further:
– revoke Pension Bills 2010-2014
– paid me state pension at 60 in 2015 (that I lost from 2013)
– equalised men’s state pension payout at 60 in 2015.
Then Labour would win a landslide victory and form a majority government in 2015.
Anybody?
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theirs some pretty poor londoners so its not really correct.
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The data makes a fairly serious statistical error: it takes income data for the different regions of each country, and then compares it against average prices for the country as a whole.
London wages are being compared to average UK prices, as are Hull wages – so, unsurprisingly, London shows up as mega-rich and Hull as mega-poor, even though rent/mortgage costs are 4x higher in London than Hull.
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john
but poverty is defined by income balance,what is left over from income, not by gross income…but by net income….maintaining all of the core vitals of life is what counts/mmatters…the ESC state the uk benefits are 40% to low!
slight change in subject, but still on poverty in the uk, ahead of tonites bbc tv ref debate…
Click to access 1001CampaignAdvertNo1.pdf
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Why does Groningen show up as a rich area then? Its the poorest region in the Netherlands. The methodology used is unclear and seems flawed, any way you look at it.
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John – Thanks for pointing out their error, and you’re right that it’s fundamental. The conclusion about inequality in the UK may well be true, but this study doesn’t actually help to demonstrate it.
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OBD – “but poverty is defined by income balance,what is left over from income” – Exactly…… after subtraction of rent, mortgage, council tax, food & fuel costs, etc., which are NOT the same across the country.
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john
can you please post the study that you are referring to, thank you…
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Errrmmm…… Tom already did that!
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f f
well then please post it for me…
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OBD – The link is at the top of this page. You can see it just as well as I can, so what are you actually trying to say?
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f f
i’m trying to say, please post the report thank you…
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I’ve copied Tom’s link from the top of this page for you. I’m not sure if you have a browser problem or a comprehension problem!
http://inequalitybriefing.org/brief/briefing-43-the-poorest-regions-of-the-uk-are-the-poorest-in-northern-
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inner london has 321% gdp per capita share, whereas Tees Valley & Durham is 71% although it does not call net income, it still show a massive inequity in capital distribution…
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f f ps
cheers for posting the link…
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it’s very safe to assume that West Wales & The Valleys @ 64% is an impoverished area…
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While I accept that some of Staffordshire is deprived largely due to Stoke-on-Trent’s decline, how can the county rate so poorly in a European poll when it has fairlu major conurbations such as Leek, Stone, Cheadle, Uttoxeter, Eccleshall, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Clayton and Penkridge?
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So much for statistics!
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OBD – No problem. I’m glad to be of help, but it’s a bit odd that you can open the link I posted, but not the one Tom posted.
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Ms Fawkes – Statistics is a fundamental tool for all the sciences, engineering and more. Without statistics you would not have the life you have today.
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Mark Twain said: “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics”…..
I don’t know quite what he was referring to but the guy was no dummy.
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Well that’s debatable! Mark Twain was a witty and creative writer, but not particularly knowledgeable. All tools may be misused and statistics is no exception. If you wish to dismiss all statistics then you are a fool.
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f f
you are very rude to people!
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Odd stats, these – the large areas cover a multitude of discrepancies. Oswestry and Uttoxeter, for example, don’t have a lot in common with Telford and Hanley.
Right, I’ve just taken a look at the pdf. “Poverty” is represented by per capita GDP. But Cornwall and West Wales, to take your ‘poorest’ example, are both full of retired people who don’t generate much GDP (they’re also full of wealthy “diversity refugees”, most of whom will have made their money elsewhere – perhaps even in Inner London). Wales and the South West have seen the biggest non-London price increases :
http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2006/04/escaping-frantic-lifestyle.html
“Eighteen of the 20 counties that have had the biggest increases in property prices since 1996 are in western Britain, according to figures from the Halifax, the country’s biggest mortgage lender.
Wales has, on average, had the biggest gain in prices during the period, accounting for 13 of the top 20 hotspots. The counties of Cornwall, Dorset, Gloucestershire and Somerset in the South West and Shropshire in the western Midlands also made it on to the list.”
Poor areas are (according to left orthodoxy) high-crime areas. But Cornwall and Pembrokeshire are a lot safer than Inner London, so there’s something else going on here that’s not being picked up by these broad-brush comparisons.
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No it wasn’t rude, it was provocative. I said “IF you wish to dismiss… (etc.)”, and it’s true – anybody who dismisses all statistics IS a fool.
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f f
“No it wasn’t rude, it was provocative.”.
don’t that just say it all!?
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No it doesn’t say it all, and you just said nothing. If you have a point to make then please make it, if not then STFU…
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f f
hahahahaha..you’re endless…i should have said, need i say more…
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“need i say more…”
If the past is any guide to the future… then YES!
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says he who still thinks that a gmc registration is a qualification…
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No I don’t think that, I never said that, and if you think that was my argument then you’re as thick as pig shit. Do you want me to explain it to you YET AGAIN in words of one syllable?
…and says he who thinks that Freud’s opinions gave him mouth cancer and not his heavy smoking!
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please do explain again in the words of one syllable, your argument that dr bob johnson is not a qualified GP, as this is what you have claimed…
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Of course! This may take a few stages, so here we go with stage 1… (by the way, the single syllable arguments will be from yourself)
If the register of the General Medical Council says “This doctor is not on the GP Register”, does this mean:
a) This doctor is on the GP Register.
b) This doctor is not on the GP Register.
c) I don’t know. When I copied the results I deleted that part.
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I might as well save time, so here’s question 2. If the GMC register shows qualifications of MRCS, LRCP, BChir and MB, which one of these is the qualification to be a GP? (Clue – it’s MRCGP)
a) None of them.
b) I’m not very honest, because when I copied the GMC results I edited them and added “MRCGP” myself.
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Do you want me to explain it to you YET AGAIN in words of one syllable? i have already agreed to this and reiterate that you said you would explain to ME in single syllables, can you please do so, thank you in anticipation..please do explain again in the words of one syllable, your argument that dr bob johnson is not a qualified GP, as this is what you have claimed…
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Apparently you didn’t know that it’s an idiom. If you don’t know what “idiom” means then Google it.
Answer the questions……
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NO! NO! NO! you answer the question put to you…as you have agreed that you you will EXPLAIN IT, IE YOU WILL EXPLAIN IT, NOT ME, BUT YOU!…
please do explain again in the words of one syllable, your argument that dr bob johnson is not a qualified GP, as this is what you have claimed…you said; Do you want me to explain it to you YET AGAIN in words of one syllable?
i have already agreed to this and reiterate that you said you would explain to ME in single syllables, can you please do so, thank you in anticipation..
please do explain again in the words of one syllable, your argument that dr bob johnson is not a qualified GP, as this is what you have claimed…
YOU CLAIMED THAT DR BOB JOHNSON WAS NOT A QUALIFIED GP AND YOU CITED GMC LACK OF REGISTRATION AS YOUR PROOF OF THIS..WILL YOU NOW ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG TO CLAIM THIS?
HE IS REGISTERED WITH THE GMC AND I QUOTE “Registered with a licence to practise; this doctor is on the Specialist Register” and has been with the same reg no since oct 1961…he is not registered as a GP atm…but he is a fully qualified GP nonetheless…and MRCGP which can be clearly seen on his about me page on his web site…
stop your procrastinations/distractions, and answer the question, you have said you will explain now please do so..
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What question did you ask? I can only see a rhetorical one…
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my hope is that the work of dr bob johnson is being heard and is helping others to rediscover themselves..
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How can anybody lose themselves? All you have to do is look in a mirror and there you are!
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I’ve been on the Eurostat website,the organisation that produced this work. There isn’t one region from the UK that is in the top 20 of the poorest. So I’m confused how this map was produced and who had edited the data.
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Here’s the link for justifying my earlier comment: http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/1-27022014-AP/EN/1-27022014-AP-EN.PDF
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Wrong – If a person was at ANY time registered as a GP then the GMC entry will show the status as “Registered without a licence to practise” or “Not Registered – Having relinquished registration”. For those registered before 2006 but are not currently in practice the status entry will show “From 31 Mar 2006 but is not currently licensed to practise”.
Johnson shows NONE of these, so he was NEVER registered to practice as a GP in the UK. It’s entirely possible that he DID practice illegally as a GP in 60s/70s when the checks were very lax, or that he qualified in a country which is not recognised by the GMC. In either case he does not have MRCGP and if he claims that on his web site then he is not telling the truth.
Would you rather believe what one old nutcase doctor says on his own web site (on which he is trying to sell his bizarre services and also illegally solicit donations to his own non-existent charity)…… or believe the GMC?
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except; he is registered, with a licence to practice and has been since oct 1961, he also has used/kept the same gmc reg number since 1961..he is a fully qualified GP and a fully qualified psychiatrist..he is a member of RCGP’s and also you clearly still think gmc registration is a qualification…and has many other notable qualifications as listed on the gmc site…
Gender; Man. Johnson. Status Registered with a licence to practise; this doctor is on the Specialist Register..More Details..Primary Medical Qualification
MRCS 1961 Royal College of Surgeons of England
LRCP 1961 Royal College of Physicians of London
BChir 1962 University of Cambridge
MB 1963 University of Cambridge
Provisional Registration Date
27 Oct 1961
Full Registration Date
27 Dec 1962
Specialist Register entry date General psychiatry From 26 Nov 1998
GP Register entry date This doctor is not on the GP Register
f f there is NO requirement for him to be on the GP register…and less of the ageism, it does you no credit..
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Excellent! You didn’t delete the part where it says “This doctor is not on the GP Register” this time!
What the hell does “he is a member of RCGP’s” mean?
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except; he is registered, with a licence to practice and has been since oct 1961, he also has used/kept the same gmc reg number since 1961..he is a fully qualified GP and a fully qualified psychiatrist..he is a member of RCGP and also you clearly still think gmc registration is a qualification…and has many other notable qualifications as listed on the gmc site…
Gender; Man. Johnson. Status Registered with a licence to practise; this doctor is on the Specialist Register..More Details..Primary Medical Qualification
MRCS 1961 Royal College of Surgeons of England
LRCP 1961 Royal College of Physicians of London
BChir 1962 University of Cambridge
MB 1963 University of Cambridge
Provisional Registration Date
27 Oct 1961
Full Registration Date
27 Dec 1962
Specialist Register entry date General psychiatry From 26 Nov 1998
http://www.rcgp.org.uk/gp-training-and-exams/mrcgp-exam-overview.aspx
f f there is NO requirement for him to be on the GP register…and less of the ageism, it does you no credit..
“please do explain again in the words of one syllable, your argument that dr bob johnson is not a qualified GP, as this is what you have claimed…”
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You’re just repeating yourself now, and that makes you look rather daft. At least you remembered to delete the “This doctor is not on the GP Register” bit this time. It’s a shame that you forgot to delete it in the previous message!
What does “he is a member of RCGP’s” mean? Are you getting a bit confused by all these difficult medical acronyms? Never mind, they are quite difficult to remember.
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“please do explain again in the words of one syllable, your argument that dr bob johnson is not a qualified GP, as this is what you have claimed…”?????
a little reminder of what you have already stated is below..
JULY 29 @ 11.17 pm…Lucy – He is NOT a qualified GP and he does not claim to be. So you’re talking complete crap (www.truthtrustconsent.com/public_html/about-me)
you posted this JULY 29 @ 1.12 pm….Lucy – Perhaps you should tell Bob Johnson that he qualified as a GP, because neither he nor the GMC know about it!
you posted this 29 JULY @ 4.14pm …at the very least I can read English and see that the GMC and Johnson’s own web site say he never qualified as a GP!
f f he does claim to be a GP and he is indeed a MRCGP, this IS on his web site!
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Errmmmm… apparently you don’t understand the difference between the qualification and the membership!
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There isn’t much point continuing this (and it became very boring long ago). You keep on talking about your two ‘guru’ doctors even when it’s completely irrelevant. You’re plainly so obsessed with them that you’re unable to see the truth. Alice Miller was a nutter whose ideas about the causes of cancer were bizarre in the extreme, and Bob Johnson is a fraud and a con-man who is trying to take vulnerable people’s money on false pretences and through a non-existent charity. As far as I’m concerned nothing further needs to be said.
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f f
you could have chosen not to respond to my posts ages ago…ie long before your losing of this argument became boring…he is a member of the royal collage of general practitioners (MRCGP) which is and exam he does mention this on his web site..
http://www.rcgp.org.uk/gp-training-and-exams/mrcgp-exam-overview.aspx.
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I think you meant to say he WAS rather than IS. You have obviously become rather confused by your own repeated sad attempts to justify this fraudulent ‘doctor’.
The procedures and checks you keep talking about were implemented long after Johnson claims to have been a GP. It’s very good that it’s now far more difficult for charlatans like Johnson to put patients at risk by pretending to have ‘miracle’ cures and false qualifications.
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“There isn’t much point continuing this (and it became very boring long ago)” so you now don’t even agree with yourself, as now you think that there is a point of continuing… you’re welcome…and your attitude is appalling and it i you who seeks to put people @ risk by trying to discredit an amazing therapy.. false qualifications!? now you also being the gmc into disrepute….Gender; Man. Johnson. Status Registered with a licence to practise; this doctor is on the Specialist Register..More Details..Primary Medical Qualification
MRCS 1961 Royal College of Surgeons of England
LRCP 1961 Royal College of Physicians of London
BChir 1962 University of Cambridge
MB 1963 University of Cambridge
Provisional Registration Date
27 Oct 1961
Full Registration Date
27 Dec 1962
Specialist Register entry date General psychiatry From 26 Nov 1998
MRCGP
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I said there isn’t much point, not that I wouldn’t. They don’t mean the same thing at all! Is English not your first language? You certainly have a few problems with writing it.
There’s no point copying the GMC register entry YET AGAIN! I posted it first and now you’ve posted it (with your silly editing) multiple times… and you just added in your own text “MRCGP” again this time! FFS did you think I wouldn’t notice?
“Amazing therapy”… HA HA HA – you said it! I think unbelievable would be a better word!
You’re very carefully avoiding my question about Johnson soliciting donations on his web site to a non-existent charity. I wonder why…… is it perhaps because IT’S ILLEGAL?
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MRCGP it states it on his web site..you said it did not…
the gmc record existed before you posted it, in fact does inspite of if you posted it 1st or not…
i don’t care if you noticed or not as it is TRUE..”There isn’t much point continuing this (and it became very boring long ago)”, why tell me that then?
i’m not avoiding anything i have/there is, nothing for me to avoid…your attitude is appalling and it i you who seeks to put people @ risk by trying to discredit an amazing therapy.. false qualifications!? now you also being the gmc into disrepute….
Gender; Man. Johnson. Status Registered with a licence to practise; this doctor is on the Specialist Register..More Details..Primary Medical Qualification
MRCS 1961 Royal College of Surgeons of England
LRCP 1961 Royal College of Physicians of London
BChir 1962 University of Cambridge
MB 1963 University of Cambridge
Provisional Registration Date
27 Oct 1961
Full Registration Date
27 Dec 1962
Specialist Register entry date General psychiatry From 26 Nov 1998
anyone can find out if your claims are true or not….they are not…goodbye…
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You’ve posted it 4 times now. Any more? It could say MRCGP on Mickey Mouse’s web site too, but it wouldn’t make it true!
You’re STILL very carefully avoiding my question about Johnson soliciting donations on his web site to a non-existent charity. I wonder why…… is it perhaps because IT’S ILLEGAL?
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“the gmc record existed before you posted it, in fact does inspite of if you posted it 1st or not…”
Duh (facepalm)!!!! Telling me something I told you first just makes you look like an idiot, and especially if you do it 4 times!
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Can we have less of this TOMfoolery?
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