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A controversial survey has revealed that as many as 89% of the UK public think that scientists such as Richard Dawkins who suffer from foot-in-mouth syndrome should be aborted.
The survey clearly showed that the vast majority of people in Britain think that parents of foot-in-the-mouth scientists – who like Professor Dawkins are born with a genetic tendency to tweet or speak before they think – should abort their babies with the condition and “try again”.
Foot-in-the-mouth syndrome is a genetic disorder that delays growth of human empathy and causes a severe intellectual disability to understand when you should apologise and shut the f*ck up about things you know nothing about.
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Related article by Tom Pride:
RATE YOUR MURDER with Richard Dawkins
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Please feel free to comment.
I love your site, but in the interests of balance please read this link: https://richarddawkins.net/2014/08/abortion-down-syndrome-an-apology-for-letting-slip-the-dogs-of-twitterwar/
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I thought you might take him on again! 🙂
Yeah…you tell it how it is…
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I have just read the link……
Nah!
I’m relying on my sterling intuition! 🙂
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I don’t know if foot in mouth quite covers it. His foot is so far through his digestive tract he could actually walk on it.
I am also beginning to see the mounting evidence that he is actually a six foot lizard crammed into a human skin. He clearly doesn’t think before he says these things, and he still doesn’t really understand what the problem is even after it has been explained really slowly with little words and colored diagrams.
So I’m torn between being sorry for someone because they seem to have a real handicap, or killing him before he can pass on too many secrets to the alien invaders. It is a dilemma.
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Thanks to crabramblings for the link to Prof. Dawkins further comments, which totally exonerate him from the misguided attempts to, yet again, misrepresent him. The squall against him is getting really tedious.
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crab
that is not an apology but a defence!
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i always thought he was wanker,
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These lines come to mind re Dorks!
‘He puts me on edge somehow with his acid way of peeling the flesh and blood off everything’
No juice!
A veritable bag of bones….:-)
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Ha! the possessive pronoun man…….Dorks is tedious…so is grammar🙂
I have elucidated below with an excerpt from Virginia Wolf….
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OBD – What do you think he should apologise for? For what he said or for what he meant?
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to ask those questions suggests that you already have a view on this, what is it?
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George Iain Duncan Smith suffers with this condition and should have been flushed down the toilet before conception.
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He expressed himself badly and offended some people, and he has apologised for that. If we take him at his word in his explanation, then what he meant to say needs no apology. I think the fault lies with trying to say much more than a crass sound bite in 140 characters. What do you think?
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Somebody should explain the facts of life to you!
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well there you have it, without going into the various connotations/content/semantics of his explanation, the fool used twitter…will he now stop, using twitter in this way?!
as an apology, he should…
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You think Dawkins is a fool? If you have an opinion about the “connotations/content/semantics” of what Dawkins said then please don’t be shy, pray tell us and then we can judge for ourselves……
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oh, go away interrogator…i have already implied i am not interested in his explanation, and have said he should not have used twitter in this way, because it, as we agree, is limited…in fact he could have sent a file link to a fuller explanation, but obviously he didn’t consider this necessary….
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If you’re not interested in his explanation then why the f*** did you post a message criticising it???
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So interested to know what you always thought. Thanks.
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i’ll try 1 more time.. you have said yourself that he could not have explained on twitter, so why did he send that tweet, he obviously had not thought it through..his aftermath explanation is irrelevant..
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Ah… so you ARE interested now! I didn’t say he couldn’t have explained on twitter, just that he did it badly, and that Twitter is better for crass sound bites than complex moral issues. It’s not that you can’t say something important in 140 characters, but it’s f***ing difficult and people are more likely to get the wrong end of the stick.
You said that he should stop using Twitter as an apology, but you STILL haven’t said what he should apologise FOR…
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I meant to spell that as ‘Woolfe’ Virginia Woolfe! Remiss of me….
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BTW Tom – Aborting at birth is in fact just birth.
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pennie
i knew who you meant, and thanks for reminding me of her…an illustrative player in the works of dr alice miller…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042705249.html
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OBD – I was just wondering – Do you agree with Dr Alice Miller when she wrote “Sigmund Freud’s cancer of the jaw… was a response to his unwillingness to confront child abuse as a real and serious problem” and nothing to do with the fact that he was a heavy smoker?
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🙂
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i’m surprised that you noticed that, not.
i believe all kinds of factors are involved in the cause of cancer…mainly the very act of being alive…oxygen is bad for one, but has short term lifespan cyclic benefits for the individual….obviously there are additional physiological stress factors such as smoking, chemical exposures et al…why we expose ourselves to known dangers is in that/a sense another matter…some people are exposed to all kinds of dangers without knowledge nor affects…i as a mechanic was heavily exposed to asbestos, perhaps i still have the affects of that to come who knows?
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I love the way Guy must think I’ve just pointed out my own mistake to myself.🙂
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Why can’t you say whether you agree with Miller of not? Is it because you know it proves her to be deluded and irrational?
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…and now [you/we/I] are telling [yourself/ourselves/myself] that [you/we/I] love the way she must think [you/we/I] just pointed out [your/our/my] own mistake to [yourself/ourselves/myself].
My brain hurts!
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f f
what an odd black and white world you live in, you really don’t get soul music do you?
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In your ‘nuanced’ world is smoking not the primary cause of oral and pharyngeal cancer? In the REAL world it is. I guess you must be deluded too.
…and I love many kinds of music.
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Whilst ducking to avoid all the Dawkins directed flak, surely anyone who uses Twitter, either as source or sink, should pause to consider the potential range of meaning in the texts, both on reading and before digititis sets in. Just because 140 chars is too constraining for reasoned argument, there are sometimes areas that do need vetilating, even if inefficiently. So be prepared to be offended – it’s your right (until the nanny laws catch up).
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Sorry that should be “ventilating”, shouldn’t it?
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for someone who claims not to accept the propaganda of others, you certainly swallow it hook line and sinker when it suits..
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dan
and be prepared for a backlash if one does offend! it’s 2 way traffic.
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I accept evidence, not propaganda. Are you saying there is NOT convincing evidence that smoking is the primary cause of oral and pharyngeal cancer? Your silly squirming just makes you look daft, so please just say what you really think…
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you just twist everything to avoid facing up to yourself, you read a biased article that i posted above and believed it’s contents..do you even know freud’s view on smoking?
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She wrote it herself in her book! Freud’s mouth cancer was caused by heavy smoking, not by his views about child abuse! Face it, Alice Miller was deluded and irrational. In short- she was a complete nutter!
I suggest that you start to grow up OBD and try to get to grips with reality……
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still no answer from freud i see…
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“still no answer from freud i see…”
That might be because he’s dead!!! … and he died from mouth cancer caused by smoking.
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Blimey! I am going to listen to some ‘soul’ music……makes more sense….do you know some people do not have souls…….. it is not found in the intellect.🙂
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pennie
soul = true self…
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ps pennie
some people expect generosity and in return expect even more…
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OBD – I just noticed that you said “oxygen is bad for one, but has short term lifespan cyclic benefits for the individual”
Are you trying to be amusing/enigmatic, or are you really that ignorant of how your own body works?
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OBD – P.S. The risk of asbestos-related cancer such as mesothelioma from exposure to dust from brake shoes/pads and clutch discs by garage workers is very low, so you probably don’t need to worry. However, if you worked in car component manufacturing then it may be a different story.
The diseases of exposure to asbestos can take 30-40 years to appear, so if you suspect it now then don’t hesitate to see your GP. I was also exposed many times before the use of asbestos was ended in the ’90s, but the fact that I smoked until about 15 years ago is FAR more of a risk factor.
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oh dear, still nitpicking away i see! oh, kreb’s to you!
he caused offence and was stupid to send out that tweet. he put out a defense statement, that many are happy to defend… as i have implied, i am not interested in deconstructing it beyond what i see/comprehend, because it loses sight of the offence he caused, bury’s it, and also, as it is plain for all to see for what it is, including yourself..you want me to be word careful, forensic, and semantically spot on, in every post, my posts would be so long no one would read them (i daresay that you will deny that too)….i mean he admits in his defense statement the consequences of sending that tweet, so he cannot say he was ignorant before the fact….i happened to see this article yesterday that agrees with my position…but i am not so kind as to say it is half an apology i say he offered no apology, but childish excuses…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/richard-dawkins-offers-half-apology-over-those-down-syndrome-comments-half-the-problem-lies-in-a-wanton-eagerness-to-misunderstand-9683917.html
overlooking other vital evolutionary factors, without which evolution to human being could not have happened is plain stupid…such as compassion, empathy, and love…without all of our emotions we would not be as we are…human logic is founded in those things….it is the light of our existence….
humanity gravely suffers without them as history shows/demonstrates, and repeats time and time again..so to get to the root of why hitler et al did what they did, is vital for the survival of humanity…without that knowledge we are consigned to being as drones/machines…babbage…
he was foolish to send out that tweet….
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It’s not easy to understand what you mean, and a little better punctuation might help. Can we start at the beginning of your post. What does “oh, kreb’s to you!” mean? Are you referring to the Krebs cycle in biochemistry?
I agree that Dawkins was foolish to send out that Tweet, but he’s apologised and agreed that he expressed himself badly, so what on earth are you still going on about? I’m now disputing the deluded and bizarre views about the causes of cancer expressed by you and your nutter ‘guru’ Alice Miller.
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Ah… I think I realise now! You’re a smoker and THAT is why you’re in denial that it causes cancer.
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Pennie – If you think some people do not have souls, would you care to say what a soul is, and which types of people do not have one?
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because you stretched the word “interest”…you suddenly leap out of the core conversation and apply semantic weightings to words…you are not generous in conversation and expect the generosity to come from others…this is just posting, not a scientific paper…
he has not apologized, (again you try to avoid to issue of the offence, to make his statement of paramount importance), but, this could have been avoided with a little thought from him..and i have already made my position as clear as i could have been, on alice miller…but a little more clarity; she did herself no favours by saying that, she was foolish to say it, but abuse does cause gross, if unabated by remedy, long term harm too body and mind….contextually she mentioned this in relation to what freud said, it was a stupid childish dig @ freud…i even agree with a lot of what dawkins says, he is great to listen to..we all @ times do and say stupid things, but it does not invalidate their work…the point is no one is perfect…my instincts tell me both he and miller are wrong in this case..
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I agree that these are just posts, not a scientific paper, but I say what I mean and I mean what I say. If I get something wrong then I admit it. All too often you do not do the same, but you came quite close in your last post. Keep it up!
To get back to the subject Tom raised and the underlying question I’ve asked you more than once, you said “my instincts tell me both he and miller are wrong in this case”. What do you actually think Dawkins was wrong about?
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you were wrong about dr bob johnson not being a fully qualified GP have you admitted that?
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FFS!!! For the umpteenth time NO! He’s not on the GMC register as a GP, so he is not a GP. IT’S A PUBLIC DATABASE, SO ANY IDIOT (EVEN YOU) CAN READ IT!!!
I’ll try again (but with little hope of a sensible answer) – What do you actually think Dawkins was wrong about?
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WOW! goodbye…
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I guess that means you don’t have any sensible opinion about whether Dawkins was right or wrong. What a waste of time!
If you think somebody is practicing as a GP in the UK without GMC registration then that’s a criminal offence, and you are obliged to inform the police. Have you done so?
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trebornos – If you have an opinion then why don’t you join in a discussion instead of just liking posts?
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I think it’s too much of a one-sided discussion. How on earth can Alice Miller attribute cancer to childhood upbringing and what was the relevance of this in the first place? What could I possibly contribute to this level of debate?
I do think that Richard Dawkins is unfairly maligned mostly through gross misrepresentation. His detractors generally purport to know what he thinks on every conceivable subject based on a narrow and totally wrong conception that he is some sort of super social Darwinist, a eugenicist, a fascist and influences the government directly with his right- wing ideas. I’m not joking! I abhor ignorance.
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trebornos – Fair comment, and you’re far more diplomatic than me! I guess you meant that you can’t possibly contribute to this (low) level of debate!
I agree with what you say about Dawkins. It’s perhaps a testament to the basis and integrity of his opinions that he doesn’t become embroiled in controversy more often, considering the contentious nature of his subjects.
BTW, Alice Miller was attributing Freud’s mouth cancer to his OPINIONS about child abuse, not to any actual abuse, which is even more bizarre! I think even OBD now admits that it’s a bit weird.
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treb
“i abhor ignorance”, yet you have said nothing to enlighten me….i find people like yourself very frustrating to have a conversation with…i love dawkins lucid descriptions and i also sense his frustration when trying to convince a ussherains of evolution…it is no good shouting @ people to understand…
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Sorry OBD, I don’t understand. What is “a ussherains”?
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Glad I wrote something now! I hadn’t realised that about Alice Miller – that makes even weirder if possible.
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Ussherian – probably young Earth creationist after Bishop Ussher’s calculation of the Eart’s age.
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Ussherian – probably reference to young earth creationism after Bishop Ussher’s calculation of the age of the earth.
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It’s really not my job to enlighten you but if you’d outline in which areas you feel your knowledge or understanding to be deficient, I’ll try to help.
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treb
i have no idea why i’m ignorant or which areas of my ignorance need attention, as you are clever i hoped that you could tell me…
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Ah, “an Ussherian”. I understand now. Isn’t it amazing what English grammar can do, or the lack of it…
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OBD – I’ll try yet again (and again with little hope of a sensible answer) – What do you actually think Dawkins was wrong about?
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