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Trying to decide whether to support ISRAEL, HAMAS, the US or ISIS? Check out our handy guide!
Having trouble deciding whether you hate ISIS or ISRAEL more?
Don’t worry – help is at hand.
You’re not alone in thinking that the responsibilities of choosing to support one side over the other can be overwhelming at times, but there are a variety of ways to learn about the process of choosing which one of the two brutal massacres of civilians you ignore – and which you are publicly appalled and shocked by.
If you are leaning toward hating either ISIS or ISRAEL more but can’t decide if it’s the right move to make now, then you may want to consult some professionals before you decide to support one or the other.
That’s why before you make such an important move as declaring your support of one side or the other on social media – it’s essential that you take professional advice and educate yourself about the consequences of criticising ISRAEL or ISIS.
So here is a short guide to help you decide:
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We hope this helps.
Keep this simple guide handy – you’ll find it works for all kinds of conflicts involving others such as HAMAS, US, RUSSIA, NATO, SYRIA, UKRAINE etc.
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Violation of human rights is not a zero-sum game or a binary argument.
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Why is Obama authorizing military strikes on genocidal ISIS militants, but not authorizing any military strikes on genocidal Israeli Zionists?
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oil?
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For f***’s sake Tom, this one is even better! I can’t cope with being complimentary to you this often, so I think I’d better go and have a little lie down…
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No – votes.
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Oh Dear…Tom Pride. We have a situation so unbearable that we have to make light of it……………No wonder people take up arms.
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A handy guide on how to respond to corporate media bullshit.
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Naturally, we’re presumed to lack sufficient intellect, education or empathy to focus on or care about more than one outrage at a time. At least, we’ve been pretty much programmed to have the attention span of two-year-olds.
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For those that are confused onto who to sheet home responsibility for all the world’s mayhem and murder, here is a handy guide.
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excellent guide!
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Well, I hate the U.S. more than I hate ISIS and ISRAEL because the U.S. gave them the weapons they are now using.
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ISIS is an organisation that is not elected by anyone. They have no backing of any law. They say they are acting for their God. They are making it up. Their behaviour can be said to be criminal and they should be subject to the laws of the countries where they commit their crimes.
Israel is an internationally recognised state which has obligation to the international community. They could be renounced as a rogue nation and their actions become criminal by international law.
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You missed the point. Many countries and organisations have broken international law in recent years (including UK governments) but very few of the people responsible are ever brought to account. The balance is dictated by power and coercion, not law or morality.
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Very well said. The killing of women and children is unacceptable by any organisation or individual
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You are right of course. I merely wanted to point out the difference of those two entities in question. A dead child is a dead child and it was ever so.
A state has no morality and is only dictated by the ” raison d’etat”. ISIS takes their reasons to kill out of the air.
You mentioned the word “hate”. That doesn’t help either. Because of hate there is so much trouble in this world.
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No, I didn’t mention the word “hate” and I don’t agree with you that it’s the cause of all the trouble in the world. It’s not that simple. That’s the kind of absurd thinking exhibited by small children and religious fundamentalists.
I agree that a state cannot have morality, as it is purely a human characteristic, and in contrast to what religious leaders will tell you, it’s nothing to do with religion either. However, the people who control states can have morality, but all too seldom seem to.
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Surely using that flowchart will lead to you hating nearly all combatants in nearly all wars? Especially those involving aerial bombardment and shelling.
Oh…maybe that’s the point.
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..as did the UK.
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Why am I not surprised? Sigh!!
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So Shelby, now you know that, do you hate the UK more than you hate ISIS and Israel, and equally with the USA?
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The word “hate” is in the title of your post. You asked us whom we hate more. All the conflicts in the world did not start last week. They all have a pre-history. All groups of people, be they states, clans or religions, have to adjust themselves to it. Their feelings, which must come into it, will play a big part in how they react. A purely reasonably response can be as brutal as hate. Israel claims to be reasonable (That is what we have to do). ISIS claims all others are unbelievers; a typical assumption
of mad people.
Do you remember the Holocaust ? The gassing of the Jews was done because it costs too much money to keep them alive. That was economic rationality gone mad.
[Berlioz: “The word “hate” is in the title of your post.”
I hope you’re not another one who thinks FinkFurst is me? God forbid.] – TOM
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Berlioz – I have a weird sense of déjà vu. To confirm what Tom said… he and I are are definitely not a single schizophrenic entity!
Are you seriously saying that the Holocaust was driven by Nazi pragmatism? Please expand on that rather surprising assertion.
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I can not expand on the assertion. I read this theory a long time ago.
The Holocaust was such an enormous crime, that I condemn it for many “reason” they might have had.
Sorry for the mix up of the names.
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Do you mean you disagree with the theory that the Holocaust was driven by Nazi pragmatism? A “yes” or “no” would make it clearer. Perhaps I could also suggest that before you make assertions in future you actually try to think about which opinions you agree with and which you don’t.
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You Fink are nothing but an egotistical bully, God help anyone who ever put you in a position of power!
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Ms Fawkes – Quite clearly I have no power whatsoever on this web site, other than my words, and more importantly my questions. If your post is your perception, perhaps power lies with those who are not afraid to ask and answer questions……
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Since you both ask and answer your own questions usually, I guess you consider yourself to have power, or is that just your perception of what power is?
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Ms Fawkes – No I don’t consider myself to have any power here, and nor does anybody else (except Tom). Isn’t that exactly what I just said? If you disagree with me about anything I have said then you may feel free to present a reasoned argument or an open question. That’s all I ever I do……
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Quite clearly I have no power whatsoever on this web site, OTHER than my words, and more importantly my questions.
You consider your words or questions to be power, I rest my case!
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Everybody on here (except Tom) has exactly the same power. I’m no different, so what is the point you’re trying to make?
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You think you can use your words as power to insult people, which was my argument in the first place, the sad fact is that Tom lets you, I wonder why?
[FFS don’t start all this again. I let him because this is a FREE SPEECH ZONE. If you don’t like it, feel free to F*ck off.
Now stop the petty squabbling both of you!]]- TOM
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If you want a discussion (on any basis) then you can. If you don’t, then don’t reply. Isn’t that perfectly obvious? If you want Tom to ban me then you can ask him to. I still don’t see what your complaint is……
[I don’t ban people from this website But you two are doing good job of testing my policy to its limit. Now stop the petty squabbling BOTH of you and stick to discussing the matter in hand.] – TOM
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Do I need to ask Tom to ban you or is he capable of thinking and seeing your wrong doing for himself?
I did not expect you to see my argument.
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“I did not expect you to see my argument.” – As far as I can see you haven’t made one yet. Even if you had, if you don’t expect the recipient to understand the argument then there isn’t any point making it. Perhaps instead you should try formulating an argument which you think the recipient WILL understand.
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I made the argument on the off chance you may have a little conscience about your behaviour, but clearly you do not, Fink and understanding is an oxymoron.
When it comes to arguments about yourself you refuse to comprehend or accept any criticism, but it is worth highlighting your flaws as you do other peoples percepted flaws.
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Tom is right – The post to which you replied made the following argument… “Many countries and organisations have broken international law in recent years (including UK governments) but very few of the people responsible are ever brought to account. The balance is dictated by power and coercion, not law or morality.”
Do you have an opinion?
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I don’t think anyone other than those involved in the israeli/Palestine conflict are qualified to lecture them about their own affairs.
We are fed nothing but propoganda on foreign policy so I would not presume to know whether they are fighting over land, religion or anything else.
As for the balance being dictated by power and coercion, not law or morality, it sounds a bit like this website.
Tom always backs his pseudonym Fink and tells me I am free to fuck off if I don’t like it – ever the hypocrite!
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I would not presume to have an answer, but I’ve watched a few lectures by Miko Peled, an Israeli peace activist, recently.
This one is the most coherent argument I’ve heard so far.
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I think anyone and everyone would like to see a peaceful solution to the conflict, but the jews cannot expand unless they encroach on Palestian territory, their back is against the sea.
Miko Peled seems too eager to condemn his own heritage in the name of peace and we all know about sell outs. He even quotes Alice Walker to condemn his own people.
Here are some comments about how the Jews and Palestinians were living peacefully together, but the palestinians wanted the jews out, don’task me why.
Selling out your own is not conducive to creating a peaceful union between two peoples.
Alice Walker Won’t Release ‘Color Purple’ in Hebrew
Prize-Winning Author Slams Israel’s ‘Apartheid State’
By JTA
Published June 18, 2012.
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Alice Walker, author of “The Color Purple,” refused to authorize a Hebrew translation of her prize-winning work, citing what she called Israel’s “apartheid state.”
In a June 9 letter to Yediot Books, Walker said she would not allow the publication of the book into Hebrew because “Israel is guilty of apartheid and persecution of the Palestinian people, both inside Israel and also in the Occupied Territories.”
In her letter, posted Sunday by the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel on its website, Walker supported the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement and offered her hope that the BDS movement “will have enough of an impact on Israeli civilian society to change the situation.”
It was not clear when Yediot Books, an imprint of the daily Yediot Achronot newspaper, made the request, or whether Walker could in fact stop translation of the book. At least one version of the book has already appeared in Hebrew translation, in the 1980s.
Walker said Israelis policies were “worse” than the segregation she suffered as an American youth and said South Africans had told her it was worse than Apartheid.
“The Color Purple,” which won the 1983 Pulitzer Prize for Fiction, was adapted into a movie in 1985 directed by Jewish filmmaker Steven Spielberg.
The novel and the film, which was nominated for 11 Oscars, treat racism in the American South in the first part of the 20th century and sexism among blacks.
Walker has intensified her anti-Israel activism in recent years, traveling to the Gaza Strip to advocate on behalf of the Palestinians.
Read more: http://forward.com/articles/158018/alice-walker-wont-release-color-purple-in-hebrew/#ixzz3ADBz1YWH
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JehudahBenIsrael · 112 weeks ago
Perhaps someone should explain to Ms. Walker that Hebrew is and has been the national language of the Hebrew/Israeli/Jewish people from time immemorial. In fact, the Bible (the Book) that she knows by the term “the old testament”, or what is known in academic circles as the Hebrew Bible, is indeed a Hebrew text that came about many thousands of years prior to Ms. Walker’s “bible”…
To shun the national language of the Jewish people is a form of racism by itself. It is an act of singling out a people, the Jewish people, and stating: you may not read my book in your national language of thousands of years, only because you are Jewish.
And I thought until recently that Ms. Walker was not a racist…. It appears that I was wrong, very wrong. She is clearly an anti-Jewish racist!!
P.S. Of course, Ms. Walker is not aware of the fact that in Israel all are equal before the law: black and white, men and women, Arabs and Jews, secular and religious, short people and tall people. Nor is she familiar with the fact that the territories administered by Israel are done so based on the Sept. 1995 Interim Agreement between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs in the territories actually reside under the authority of the Palestinian Authority and not that of Israel. But I would want Ms. Walker to explain to us: How is it that she is willing to have her book translated into Arabic while the official language in Syria is Arabic; the language through whose use many thousands of Arabs – men, women, children, the elderly – are being slaughtered daily? And, how is it that I haven’t heard her complaining about the fact that in the Palestinian Authority selling real estate to Jews, only because they are Jewish, is illegal – clearly, a racist law – an act that is punishable by…. death!! Indeed, too many Arabs have lost their lives in the PA due to the fact that they violated the law by selling their private property to Jews!! In Israel, to the best of my knowledge, not a single person was killed for such a “crime”, but Ms. Walker is silent about this fact. Why…??!!
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DuhGolum · 111 weeks ago
It’s not an anti-Israel thing….this is just Anti-Semitic plain & simple!!!
Let her take her book and stuff it!!!! Her and her ilk are just brain dead!!!! The Jews in America were in the forefront of the black movement….and this is what we get in return!!!!!
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Read more: http://forward.com/articles/158018/alice-walker-wont-release-color-purple-in-hebrew/#ixzz3ADBV5XlW
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Oh FFS you still think I sockpuppet myself on my own blog as someone else? Grow up.
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“I don’t think anyone other than those involved in the israeli/Palestine conflict are qualified to lecture them about their own affairs.”
Ms Fawkes – I couldn’t disagree with you more, and further, I think your stance is fundamentally and disgustingly immoral. If people involved in a conflict are killing civilians in plain breach of international law, then others are not only qualified to lecture them, they have a moral and legal duty to do far more than that.
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Let those that preside over international law deal with the problem not those on social websites.
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Tom
I think given your reply to me on what I am free to do, I think it is you that needs to grow up.
I am a mrs not a Ms.
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“Let those that preside over international law deal with the problem not those on social websites.”
Ms Fawkes – Do you not even accept the responsibilities and privileges of living in a democracy? We ALL have a voice and the right and duty to express it, especially about conflicts where so many innocent lives are at stake. I have to say your attitudes range from bizarre, to idiocy, to the downright immoral.
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Ms Fawkes – I’ll try a simple question… Do you think war criminals, whether they are from Israel, Palestine, Iraq, USA, UK or elsewhere, should be prosecuted equally under international law?
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I didn’t call you ‘Ms’ – FinkFurst did.
You’re a strange one. You obviously still think FinkFurst is me. FinkFurst often criticises and regularly insults me. Answer me one question Guy – why on Earth would I bother to insult myself under a pseudonym on my own blog? Don’t you think that’s even a little bit unlikely?
Anyway, that’s my last comment on this boring matter. Think what you like – and if you don’t like it – you’re free to f*ck off and comment on someeone else’s blog.
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I will give the simpleton an answer – yes!
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ps such law is not being enforced, otherwise Blair would be in the dock.
We do not live in a democracy!
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Tom
If fink is not you, then why don’t you tell him to f off. after all he is the one that started the insults.
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Apparently we now agree about prosecutions under international law, that’s very good, but you seem to disagree with your own statement – “Let those that preside over international law deal with the problem not those on social websites”.
“ps such law is not being enforced…(etc.)” – Which is what I said right at the beginning of this thread, and that only response you managed was to call me a bully.
“We do not live in a democracy!” – Yes we do.
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I have. Many times.
Here’s just one of the times, in reply to you actually:
Or do you think I’m telling myself to STFU?
Now stop this nonsense about me being a sockpuppet and intelligently discuss the blogposts.
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Tom – I really think you and Ms Fawkes should stop this petty squabbling about who insulted who, and stick to discussing the substantive subject 😉
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🙂
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How do you intelligently discuss satire?
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Step 1) Find somebody intelligent to discuss it with.
Step 2) …Oooops!
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my reply was to Tom but it is only natural that you should answer. I would not be discussing satire with you then Mr Immorality Fink.
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… but you repeatedly said that we are the same person! Are you FINALLY admitting that you were bizarrely and hilariously wrong?
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Why don’t you shove off and become a mercenary somewhere? I was probably fighting for human rights when you were wearing your pink nappies.
It is because we do not live in a democracy that international laws are not being enforced. What is the point of a treaty or an international agreement if those with the power ignore their rulings.
Democracy is supposed to form international law, but power ignores it.
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It stands to reason you would like your own schizophrenic jokes.
Mind you I must admit I can be a bit of an irritating tit sometimes.
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of course not, but because you sign as two different people, I reply to two different people who think the same apparently.
I think Tom Pride is a sock puppet who takes the identity of someone called FinkFurst and argues with himself on his own blog.
In fact I think everyone who comments on this blog is probably Tom Pride. And all the politicians and powerful people Tom satirises. David Cameron is Tom Pride I bet. And Ed Miliband too.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s sent libel notices to himself and threatened to sue himself.
I might even be Tom Pride myself but haven’t realised it yet.
There again, I might just be talking bollocks.
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Your alter ego has added an extra sentence to my comment on laughing at his own schizophrenic jokes.
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Ms Fawkes – Excellent. I’m pleased that you’ve now changed your mind and you agree that international law regarding conflicts should be discussed on social web sites such as this.
I still fundamentally disagree with your immoral contention – “I don’t think anyone other than those involved in the israeli/Palestine conflict are qualified to lecture them about their own affairs” – for the reasons I gave above.
Apparently we also still disagree about whether or not we live in a democracy, but I can clearly remember voting in several elections, so maybe you have a very bad memory, or you don’t bother voting. Forgive me if I don’t engage in a further infantile “yes we do”, “no we don’t” argument.
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Just being a tit 🙂
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P.S. Does your ‘Nothing to do with me’ attitude to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict apply only to that conflict, or to all armed conflicts?
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What are you hoping to achieve by discussing conflicts around the world that have gone on since time immomorial and will probably do so after we have long gone.
Actions in this instance speak louder than words so take up your gun if you know which side you are fighting for or against.
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You think the only solution to conflict is to take up arms on one side or another??? If you think no conflicts can ever be resolved by discussion then I pity your lack of humanity and your ignorance of history..
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They didn’t have drones and atomic bombs in the past and the powers that be were more reticent than they are now.
Mahatma Gandhi could not have gotten away with his peaceful demonstrations in this day and age.
Martin Luther King and his followers suffered with harrassment, arrest, water cannon etc.
I don’t think civil disobedience is even on your agenda.
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You just supported my point and denied your own! It’s impossible to have a rational discussion with somebody who just denies what they previously said, even when it’s there in black and white.
…and if you think the “the powers that be” were more reticent in the past than they are now, then your knowledge of history is totally bizarre.
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You discuss enough so what have you ahcieved? You are preposterously hilarious, but keep on voting and having your gay pride marches.
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One last try… You seem to advocate civil disobedience. How do you think that is initiated and then organised? Obviously by discussion. How does that discussion take place in current times? By using social media sites. The very thing you said is pointless.
Also the whole point of civil disobedience is to force a discussion which could resolve a conflict, without taking up arms. What other outcome is civil disobedience intended to achieve? Or do you think it’s just for fun?
You don’t seem to have a coherent political or social view about anything, not even what’s in your own mind.
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I have lived it, experienced it and fought against injustice. You have still not said what you have achieved.
All you want to be is the mouthpiece or a politician with the power – wouldn’t we all!
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There’s absolutely no point trying claim personal achievements on an anonymous forum. Anyone can claim almost anything they like. In spite of all your posts on this and other sites, do you still not understand that yet?
So, do you agree that civil disobedience cannot take place without discussion, and its objective is discussion?
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Pissoff and answer you’re own questions like you usually do – discussion without action is fruitless.
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I know you’re not capable to getting any closer than that to admitting when you’re wrong, so I’ll leave it there… but with one last thought – If a discussion can avert an action and so prevent the death of a child, is it still fruitless?
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Admit it you have achieve zilch!
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It wouldn’t happen via a discussion.
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Tom
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ISIS was once upon a time an Egyptian goddess, but if you google ISIS now you will no doubt get Islamic State In Syria…. But is it a mere coincidence that ISIS also stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service? ~ Cui Bono?
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