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(not satire – it’s the Tories!)
The Tories seem to have declared war on British servicemen and women.
Here’s some evidence:
Anger as record number of maimed troops are denied disability benefit
Troops made compulsorily redundant close to pension point
Soldier left suicidal after DWP accused him of faking injuries
Former soldier tells of humiliating Atos medical assessment
Ex-soldier with one kidney to lose benefits
War veteran reduced to living on £5 a day after bedroom tax nightmare
Diabetic former soldier dies after benefits sanction
Family of serving soldier sent bedroom tax bill of £13,500
Ex-soldier on hunger strike after benefits axed
Disabled Soldier Taking DWP To Tribunal Over Carers Allowance Cut
Tory council’s cold shoulder to servicemen denied pensions
MoD announces details of 4,200 job cuts
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There was a time when the Tories would have considered themselves to be the biggest supporters of our servicemen and women.
Now it seems their obsession with making life hard for anyone who doesn’t have a spare million tucked away in an offshore bank account somewhere has become much more important to members of the Conservative Party than supporting members of our armed forces.
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Pride's Purge 
You think the TORIES declared war on British servicemen and women? Which party sent them off to be maimed and killed (and to maim and kill) in the first place?
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How surprising (not).
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being a squardie is hard being someone injured by your work is told by the mod that government will now look after one but being then told to claim esa ops ones found ftw yet they the government tell all we are targeting filing out their reports on how they leave one in the shitte yep they lied big time to all jeff3
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The Tories are beyond contempt. Their loyalty stops at their own needs. Money, power and greed.
That old idea of fighting for one’s king and country was and is brainwashing to support those in power. The Tories aren’t even pretending any more. Everyone else is beneath them and dispensible.
Mercenaries, or G4S, or eventually robots, will do the dirty work in future. Unless technology does solve the world’s misery, hunger and suffering – but that also means money will not be necessary – and the powerful do not like that.
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tangle
perma-culture does exist and can easily feed the world…the work capability/pip assessment is set up to fail the claimant and make the victim struggle to explain case for benefit entitlement, dumping the responsibility on the claimant….see “the cheviot, the stag, and black black oil” on youtube….+ this…
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Reblogged this on Vox Political and commented:
There is nothing new in this post; it merely draws threads together to make a coherent argument that the Conservative-led Coalition government couldn’t care less about people who have been injured while serving in our armed forces.
Arguments that Labour sent them off to get those injuries seem strange – our armed forces exist to do the will of the government of the day; it is the current government’s unwillingness to honour its obligations to them that is at question here.
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“…our armed forces exist to do the will of the government of the day”
Irrespective of what that will may be?
“…it is the current government’s unwillingness to honour its obligations to them that is at question here.”
That is an important question, but it not the only relevant question. My point is about political selectivity.
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Reblogged this on Political Pip Spit or Swallow its up to You and commented:
How typical.
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That’s as maybe but what we have is what is happening to Service people NOW.
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Your point is a refusal to deal with current realities versus an obsessive need to put the boot into Labour.
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james
dealing with legacy is a worthy cause..the solution to all of our problems can only be found in our personal histories and/or collective histories…only behaviorists think otherwise…
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No, absolutely not, my point is to put the boot into wherever the boot might be needed, irrespective of party allegiance. Unlike Tom Pride, who NEVER EVER puts the boot into Labour. Have you not noticed that? Or asked why?
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P.S. What current reality have I refused to deal with? If you mean that the current government is failing to properly help people with disabilities (irrespective of how they happened) then I absolutely agree.
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So what do you suggest should be done? If you say something like “What we need is another Labour government” then I will just laugh with a sense of despair!
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james
ptsd/c-ptsd/d.i.d., is caused by what happened to human beings in their PAST…it cannot be cured unless the victims past is fully considered, and unless that fact is fully considered nothing will ever change…many suffer till their graves…the pattern of warmongering must be cured…
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Once FinkFurst and his teensy brain get involved in the comments, I just switch off now…
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My “teensy brain” is able to present an argument. What is yours able to do other than “switch off”?
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Ignore him. He’s an SNP activist who is a bit obsessed with me for some reason.
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Of course, I’m an SNP activist who has said he doesn’t want Alex Salmond to lead Scotland! Tom, what crap you talk sometimes! You’re falling to a pretty low level. As a matter of fact, I think Scottish Labour would do a very good job of governing Scotland, or at least if they cut some policy ties to the Westminster Labour team and its advisors.
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It is a shame we don’t have quills as I suspect some people may have learnt the valuable lesson of ‘think before you ink.’ It is always for ‘Tories’ someone elses fault. I hope a change of government might see a change in this tactic, yet I am not hopeful. Thank you for your posts and continued efforts in highlighting injustice in all walks of our society.
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Reblogged this on SMILING CARCASS'S TWO-PENNETH and commented:
A demoralised armed forces might decide enough is enough- and they have access to the munitions to really do something about it.
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Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog and commented:
Tom Pride shows the shabby way the Tories treat the men and women, who are literally putting their lives on the line for their country. Traditionally the military was the backbone of Tory Britain, along with the police force. This seems to have gone long ago. Private Eye in their ‘Thatcha: The Real Maggie Memoirs’ ran a spoof war comic strip. This was in the style of the war comics that emerged in the 1970s, though it was much darker than the usual content of Battle, Warlord and the D.C. Thompson comics. It showed a Falklands veteran shooting up innocent members of the public in a spree killing after being made unemployed from the army following government cuts. The cuts were real, and the armed forces were cut again under John Major. Benefits and support for traumatised and wounded squaddies was also withdrawn, so that there were reports of ex-servicemen forced to live on the streets. It also shows the extreme class attitudes of the Tory party. They like military parades and sending the army in, such as Hague’s attempt to invade Libya during the Arab Spring, but they have absolute contempt for the ordinary soldier. I think they really do see them as cannon fodder. Cameron and Osborne need to be very careful. In China, the campaign against human rights abuses by the Communist party is led by the veterans’ association, as much of the new, capitalist China was physically built using the squaddies as the labour force. Squaddies, who were laid off afterwards with minimal, if any, pensions, invalidity benefits or unemployment relief. And now they’re angry.
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mike
so you support war and illegal wars…very humanitarian….
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…and thank you, especially for your last thought.
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p s should have written…you support war, legal or otherwise…very humanitarian…
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What a bizarre thing to say!
Any nation’s armed forces exist in order to carry out the bidding of the government – rightly or wrongly. The servicepeople are aware of that when they sign up.
In return, they are entitled to expect their government to ensure they are supported if they are injured in the line of duty – for whatever period of time that injury affects them.
My personal feelings on war – whether legal or not – are irrelevant to this.
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“Any nation’s armed forces exist in order to carry out the bidding of the government – rightly or wrongly.”
Do you also mean legally or illegally?
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mike
you could have added in that case though they should not have that power…
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The trouble is that members of the armed forces didn’t know that their government (and that means both current and previous) would fail to give them the support they need until a considerable time after they made their commitment to serve. I think that the scales have now fallen from their eyes.
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Tom – If your blogpost had been “British government declares war on British servicemen and women” would it have made any difference to the point, or been any less true?
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PETITION ON CHANGE.ORG
PAY SOLDIERS THEIR PENSION –
MORAL THEFT BY GOVERNMENT
Keep your promise to our troops and compensate service personnel made compulsorily redundant close to pension point
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/pm-david-cameron-keep-your-promise-to-our-troops-compensate-service-personnel-made-compulsorily-redundant-close-to-pension-point
So far reached 50,000 signatures
100,000 needed to trigger a debate in parliament
This petition shows the same moral theft of pension as done to Service personnel up til 1975 of those who paid into the military pension since the War and never received a penny in payout despite dying at a great age.
The Tories revoked the 1975 Labour law that guaranteed pension payout by government. Labour did not re-enact that law during 13 years of rule til 2010.
Until Miliband and Balls’ Labour promise to revoke the Welfare Reform Act, then soldiers will suffer along with people of all ages.
– Pay military pensions
– Pay state pension to women at 60 lost since 2013
– Pay state pension to men at 65
– Replace all benefits with an automatic universal non-means tested citizen wage
Then watch Labour get a landslide victory in 2015.
And save countless lives from a miserable cruel death.
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bring back
whoever “wins” the 2015 GE there will be £25bn + in cuts..they don’t care!
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I think Beastrabban makes a very important point about Chinese veterans. This is very much happening in America where veterans have been very badly treated in a similar way to here. They are targeted because they have seen the hypocrisy of the governments which sent them to fight and they are trained and so dangerous. Anything which makes their life difficult is used as well as the hollow argument about saving money.
Using troops for legitimate defence is rather different from using them to grab resources and kill in illegal wars, examples on both sides of the political continuum.
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I’m an ex serviceman myself and have served two tours of iraq and a tour of kosovo. Why don’t half of these veterans get a grip and get a job like normal people have. We have all struggled and i myself am diagnosed with ptsd but i get on with my life. Instead of demanding benefits.
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mike
you’ll know that ptsd is not simple a disorder as you describe it, what with the complexities of our culture and personal circumstances..and it can bite you up the arse when you least expect it…
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i have many mates like me left the services and worked putting into that pot for 41yrs but when the shitte hits it doesnt ask are you ffw only this government tell you that yet many squardies cant find that path like i but sadly you cant say to them find that job many are homeless lost their way others injured and those arm and legs they bought with that army pay out wasnt bought by this government but by them and taking away these limbs well they still disabled and that is the sad fact disabled by isnt a crime and untill governments fully support you then its a crime by them jeff3
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Good! Many civilians could use some of your ‘can do’ attitude, but it can be a two-edged sword. People in the front line of the armed services have an unusual mix of being trained to be resilient under massive stress, but they are totally controlled while they’re still in the services. That means that when they leave they often don’t know how to ask for help when they need it, or even recognise that they do need it… and that help has deliberately been made difficult to get by Tory AND Labour governments.
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this solider dies of starvation,coz he could not keep his insulin cool…he had no money, because he’d been sanctioned…
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-best-of-all-possible-worlds/
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@finkfurst I suggest that Service people are given the care, treatment, benefits and pensions that their service deserves. Nothing more. Fairly simple really.
@overburdenddonkey I am aware of that and agree that warmongering and imperiaist adventurism must be stopped.
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overburdenddonkey to see I agree with you on this would be an understatement. Well said you!
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james
then you might like the work of quaker dr bob johnson @truthtrustconsent.com, as i do…
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Dr Bob Johnson only charges 20 Euros to cure any psychosis… what a bargain!
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f f
so what now you begrudge, someone a modest income from their skills that keeps their work alive and sustainable…it is his and his wife’s life mission to cure mental pain…see his work @ parkhurst prison, which you can, as you often say find for yourself. but for those that don’t claim that, here is a link…. http://www.nickdavies.net/1994/03/01/the-mad-world-of-parkhurst-prison/ …end of topic on this subject, take it or leave it….
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I begrudge nobody a modest income as long as they do so without trying to deceive anyone, such as by making unsubstantiated claims like “The cause and cure of psychoses is simple” on a web site. I would recommend that anyone worried about psychosis should first seek help through their GP, and I think it’s irresponsible to recommend ‘alternative’ treatments as the first option.
Did Dr Johnson treat you for psychosis, so you have first-hand experience?
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dr bob johnson IS a GP….”Dr Bob Johnson is a fully qualified Consultant Psychiatrist as registered by the General Medical Council, UK. He trained at Cambridge University with a degree in psychology, at the London Hospital, and at the renowned Claybury Hospital, Essex, learning the art of the Therapeutic Community Approach. In 1964-65 he was a Senior Psychiatrist in Middletown State Hospital New York, USA, working in the Drug Addiction Unit and the acute wards and underwent further training at the prestigious Columbo-Presbyterian Psychiatrist Institute, New York City, being awarded the Diploma in Psychotherapy, Neurology and Psychiatry from there.
He has developed a high profile as an expert in the management and treatment of Personality Disorder. His work as a Consultant Psychiatrist in the Special Unit in Parkhurst Prison, Isle of Wight, UK, from 1991 to 1996, was widely reported by the press and formed the basis of a documentary investigation by the BBC’s flagship programme Panorama, on 3 March 1997. He was chosen to be the first Head of Therapy at Ashworth Maximum Security Hospital in Liverpool, UK.
His latest project is organising Emotion Support Centres, where recoverers help others recover. He holds the controversial view that mental disorders are software based, not hardware, and all are 100% curable, provided the sufferer completes the course.” he also has many other medical qualifications including a phd in medical computing…pasted from his web site @truthtrustconsent.com….
i will not post to YOU on this subject again…
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No he’s not a GP, he’s a psychiatrist. You really should understand that huge difference, especially if you’re trying to give advice to people in need of help. More specifically he is not the registered GP for any ‘patient’ who might come to him, so he knows nothing about their medical history, and he is also not allowed to refer that person for any treatment within the NHS. Sorry OBD, but your advice is ignorant and irresponsible.
It doesn’t matter if you post to me on this subject or not, but PLEASE do not post irresponsibly to people with serious health problems .
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“He holds the controversial view that mental disorders are software based, not hardware, and all are 100% curable, provided the sufferer completes the course”
…and pays him for the course! Are there any peer-reviewed medical opinions about of the content or efficacy of his ‘courses’? I bet you can’t find any!
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Do you think Cameron wouldn’t have when George Bush asked?
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It’s angry over in your corner Finkfurst, maybe a trip to see Dr Bob would be in order?
Bob Johnson is about as far from the world you describe with fear as the north pole is far from the south.
He is not a guru of any sort.
He is a qualified GP and Consultant Psychiatrist. Currently registered in the UK. He is not offering a whacky, unproven alternative, what he offers is an approach that is thousands of years old, if you accept that humans are, at default setting, a sociable animal who wants to get on with family, peers and community
His approach is not wholly new and he admits this freely. His work is borne out of the ethos of the human as sociable being, therapeutic communities, Quakerism and most of all, the umbrella covering all of the above – humanism. There are many therapeutic regimens that draw on aspects of these basics. Gestalt being one of them.
Humanism, the recognition and fulfilment of human potential, is well documented on the web Fink, it’s a basic tenet of several psychotherapeutic approaches and several very effective educational ones.
Rabid calls for “peer reviewed evidence” of the humanist therapeutic approach can be answered easily if you look beyond the end of your own chagrin or devilment FInk. The humanist approach is long recognised in the fields of psychology and psychiatry.
Bob Johnson has hit on, tried out, proved through actual practice, that he has a method of allowing a person to deal with past trauma in their present mind so that it ceases to cripple them in the here, now and most importantly, the future. His methods are nothing to do with the crude behaviourist approaches now funded under IAPT or becoming ever more prevalent in workplaces beyond the NHS.
He is not a rich private shrink, surrounded by lavish evidence of his fees, people come from all around the world to see him. What he does, works for many.
The biggest shame is that his work isn’t available to more individuals. He isn’t the only therapist/shrink with a humanist approach, there are plenty of others. Look for work by Dorothy Rowe, Alice Miller, Jeffrey Masson, Joanna Moncrieff for serious consideration of what works, what doesn’t, why, how it came to be. There is a large body of work out there. There are others practicing what Bob Johnson does in different forms throughout therapy, education and in some small communities.
Bob Johnson works with some of the most damaged individuals in the world Fink, he works with the rich, the poor and the penniless. Most of all he works with the whole person, which is an unheard of concept in most mainstream psychology and psychiatry despite what is written in many promotional materials in the private sector.
It is a terrible detriment to our NHS (and the prison service) that the arrogance and greed of people such as Simon Wessely hold sway with our endlessly wretched governments, and that keeps those such as Bob Johnson outside, unfairly, as mavericks.
Mental Health provision in the western world, our world, keeps people sick, often it causes them greater mental distress, permanent and deleterious brain chemistry changes and overt brain damage, it can cause physical conditions and side effects that are incompatible with life.
What he offers is different, costs little and works. It is not a gimmick, it is not an easy path. It is considerably shorter than most recognised therapeutic regimens. It contains more depth in one hour than for example say 6 weeks of group CBT, 12 sessions of so called trauma focussed one to one CBT, ten years of monthly sessions with a counsellor of the most esteemed provenance, could ever manage in a million years.
His approach is straight to the point, there is no fucking about. Sometimes it does not work, mostly it does. If it does not work 100%, and after a lifetime of serious trauma, a person is likely to need more than one session, even with homework, there is a lot to unpack, then a person will be left in a better state, with a better understanding of themselves and their lives than they were before.
There is no magic cure, this is not a magic cure. It is an approach that works because it opens the right boxes. It does not waste time opening boxes that are not relevant and have no resonance or content for the patient.
So why would someone want to spend 25 years in therapy and still not be living a happier life? I can think of a few people I have known in my life who have chosen to go that route and to watch their hopes being dashed, their delusion being built up by the expensive psychiatrists/therapists (with both NHS and private practice) who keep the individual tethered to them because patients bring cash, is horrible.
My thoughts are that every waste of human potential is as much a tragedy as the abuse that caused that potential to be trashed in the first place.
What the NHS, both private psychiatry and most forms of psychotherapeutic approach do is to keep people coming back and it keeps failing those people. Go to any local mental health resource or treatment centre of any kind and you will find a majority who have been in distress for years and years and years. They have become their condition, they are lost to medication, side effects. Hope went out the door years ago for so many. They are tied to the treadmill, the production line. The factory that must balance the books, make a profit.
Who cares if the factory makes products that do not work? I’d guess Bob Johnson does.
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That is an amazing reply Lucy, just brilliant! Having been on a very long path myself with family members I agree with you entirely. I have found for myself wonderful resources on the internet, one of the most powerful is tapping. It may not be suitable for everyone but it deals with deep childhood trauma and releases it very swiftly. For those with serious PTSD they would need to find a practitioner but there are lots around and they do not charge the earth. There is much you can do on your own to support yourself and other family members and regain your own health.
Here is a very profound and moving release with Tapping or EFT and there is a lot of science to back it up but hey, what do we have to lose? Much, much to gain!
x
http://www.thetappingsolution.com/blog/painful-words
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Lucy – He is NOT a qualified GP and he does not claim to be. So you’re talking complete crap (www.truthtrustconsent.com/public_html/about-me)
…and as soon as you start talking about devils and that people are made in a “factory” then I just put you and your opinions in the ‘nutter’ category.
“His approach is straight to the point, there is no fucking about. Sometimes it does not work” – That’s strange, because he claims that his approach IS 100% effective!
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amnesiaclinic – You forgot to add a link to the Tapping Solution store. You can cure your PTSD, chronic back pain, fear of public speaking, Fibromyalgia, abundance blocks, weight loss, smoking, grief and more – ALL FOR ONLY $29.95!
Right now there’s a 50% summer sale of their books and DVDs, so hurry while stocks last!
http://www.thetappingsolution.com/store/
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Sorry James, I missed your reply before – I agree in one sense, but I think ALL people should be given the care, treatment, benefits and pensions that they need, but most definitely they do NOT deserve anything different if they served in the armed forces.
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As ever Finkfurst, a trip to the local college to brush up on your comprehension skills will help you no end. Devilment, means fun btw. The only person typing about “devils” is you.
Bob Johnson is qualified as a GP and has worked in this country as a GP
Try basing your attempts at argument on something more than an advertisement.
Handy tip: Knowledge and actual experience are your friends.
Over and out.
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Lucy – Perhaps you should tell Bob Johnson that he qualified as a GP, because neither he nor the GMC know about it!
By the way, the ‘advertisement’ was very obvious sarcasm aimed at amnesiaclinic. I guess you missed the point. Have you never heard of snake oil?
You don’t think the words “devilment” or “devilry” have anything to do with belief in devils? Maybe you’re right and it’s just a coincidence! As a matter of interest, do you believe in gods and devils? Anyway, apparently you agree with my ‘factory’ point, so that’s good.
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Never mind the sarcasm – did you watch the video? No, I thought not. Pity you have scorn for everything not within very narrow perameters. The greatest effect of this current administrations pressures on the disabled and poor is the effect of stress. This is one are where ordinary folks can take back control of their lives and become aware of how this works in the body, as expressed by doctors like Bernie Siegel and Lissa Rankin who do not hide behind their qualifications and serve big pharma on that particular gravy train.
And if people can help themselves out of their overwhelm, back into making decisions for themselves from a more balanced place who are you to nay say them?
Try it or at least research it – but that might mean opening your mind and accepting you may not know everything.
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amnesiaclinic – I did watch the video, and what I saw what a cynical manipulator taking advantage of vulnerable people in America in order to make a profit from their problems. Those people paid, but I heard no mention of that! Do you know how much money Nick Ortner has made from this con?
Do you really think a $29.95 DVD will cure “PTSD, chronic back pain, fear of public speaking, Fibromyalgia, abundance blocks, weight loss, smoking, grief and more”? If it’s so effective, why are there no independent comparisons to prove it?
My mind is open, including to when vulnerable people are being conned out of their money, but worse, they’re being given false hope. Is your mind open?
I’ll ask you the same question as I asked Lucy – Have you ever heard of snake oil?
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re tapping; i did watch PART of the vid…expressing upset is always a very good thing to do, very likely the 1st time she’d been heard, but for reasons i am NOT going to go into, it will not recover human being only deep pyschotherapy will do that…dr bob always gets straight to the nub of the problem and very quickly…the long bit is the home work..the idea is job done, goodbye…the idea is full independence OF MIND, and when one has need of others for those needs to be met without emotional blackmail….ie if one is sick and disabled, in need of medical attention, unemployed etc etc….NO TO HUMILIATION….NO SANCTIONS….NO CONDITIONALITY…
i entirely support lucy’s expression ….i would like to add, for my own peace of mind…avoid any “therapy” that involves mirroring, for example pleasing the “therapist”, anyone who tells one how one ought to feel now ie that should not bother you now etc etc or praisers or that the distress is the problem or implies mental illness is not curable, and you have to learn to cope with it, build walls around it, segregate it and/or in fact says the problem is that one is mentally ill…the idea is to find true self RECOVER true self, one will always find true self is amazing..and this will always involve expressing TAR (trapped anger and rage) of past traumas, and dispersing or evaporating crippling frozen terrors…un-bottling rage…he has written 2 books, “emotional health” and “unsafe at any dose”, please read and reference them…dr bob is a tradesperson who does reliable work at a very reasonable cost often for NOTHING, 0, ZILCH, NOT A PENNY, AT NO COST AT ALL …he approaches his work in a very down to earth workmanlike manner…his job is to clear gum from minds…i know this because i use the same basic methodology in my trade…find the root cause, fix it, job done….drive into a garage with a noisy wheel bearing, would you except a set of ear muffs and a radio amplifier as a cure? well that is what behaviorism does/is, don’t fall for that mumbo jumbo we have been fed as the “cure” …one’s job is to do the work he sets…and he knows that this is the hardest most gruesome work of all…some times he says it is job done in 15mins sometimes it takes many years, you won’t need to keep going back to see him he starts the process off…but as he says never never give up, and there are many out there who will try to put spanners in the works…and feed one, as his wife says “toxic gossip”…follow your gut instincts, the idea is to regain/recover self esteem, that one is born with…shifting the denial that we were forced to accept is extremely difficult…the idea is to need no one else emotionally…i strongly reject any from of behaviorism….the idea is to rediscover true self…he would use any methodology that works, the methodology he uses is the only one that does work…he has provably and permanently cured very dangerous people…violence is anger driven by fear (frozen terrors), once the fear (frozen terror) is gone so is the violence and so is the fear of expressing anger which causes violence, either driven covert or overt or some of both…the idea is to restore stripped away armour, so that no one can get into sacred head space unless invited…it is my understanding that changes occur to the amygdala, by cause of venting ALL blocked emotions…the idea is to express anger and upset without (trapped) fear…basically one is afraid or has a fear of saying NO! and meaning it or “get lost” and mean it…in other words reacting to one’s needs and feelings…like those interrogators who ask very loaded intrusive questions but will never reveal anything about themselves and try to get in and rip one’s personalities and morals apart as if they are judges of right and wrong…and will continue to answer a question with a question and conveniently forget what they have said…
Dr Bob Johnson Friday, 19 June 2009
Consultant Psychiatrist, P O Box 49, Ventnor, Isle of Wight, PO38 9AA UK
e-mail DrBob@TruthTrustConsent.com http://www.DrBobJohnson.org
GMC speciality register for psychiatry reg. num. 0400150
formerly Head of Therapy, Ashworth Maximum Security Hospital, Liverpool
formerly Consultant Psychiatrist, Special Unit, C-Wing, Parkhurst Prison, Isle of Wight.
MRCPsych (Member of Royal College of Psychiatrists),
MRCGP (Member of Royal College of General Practitioners).<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Diploma in Psychotherapy Neurology & Psychiatry (Psychiatric Inst New York),
MA (Psychol), PhD(med computing), MBCS, DPM, MRCS.
Author Emotional Health ISBN 0-9551985-0-X,
Author Unsafe at any dose ISBN 0-9551985-1-8
curing mental pain….
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amnesiaclinic, I agree that it’s really important for us to find something that works for us as individuals and that is within our control to use when we need it. Too much of standard psychological or psychiatric help is anything but.
Keep on keeping on!
FinkFurst does not seem to have any real knowledge or experience of the issue we, have been discussing, and can only flounder on the edges using mockery, which is pretty much all a troll has.
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If an honest, professional scientist has found a treatment which REALLY works for all these diverse problems, then what they would do is publish a peer-reviewed scientific paper which proves that it works. Then EVERYBODY can have access to this wonderful new treatment, and in the UK it would be completely free through the NHS!
Why have Nick Ortner and Bob Johnson not done exactly that?… BECAUSE THEY ARE CHARLATANS!
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…at the very least I can read English and see that the GMC and Johnson’s own web site say he never qualified as a GP!
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lucy
it mention’s this on his web site, that bob johnson is a MRCGP (Member of Royal College of General Practitioners).and outwith his website; that when he was working as a GP in oldham he 1st discovered what he did….
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OBD – I wouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet, especially from somebody trying to take your money! Check the GMC register. It says VERY clearly for ref. number 0400150, Robert Alfred Johnson: “This doctor is not on the GP Register”. In the UK GPs remain on the register for life until they decide to leave, or they are struck off…
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Tell you what Fink, why don’t you give Bob Johnson a ring and ask him if he qualified and worked as a GP in this country? You could email him if you didn’t want the cost of a call.
He’ll tell you the truth and you still won’t like it
Why a discussion about effective forms of therapy should cause you so much outrage, I do not know.
No human being gets it right 100% of the time Fink, but that’s part of our success, we learn from what we got wrong, just like all the other animals. Bob Johnson is just one psychiatrist who has a rare and proven record of success in healing seriously wrecked lives. He isn’t for everyone, but his theories have been proven to work and are supported by many revered professionals.
So what are you doing to make the world even slightly better Fink?
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PS; Fink, before you start grizzling with “if he’s so great why isn’t he on the NHS or a millionaire?” you will need to get thee to Google and spend a bit of time absorbing some of the history/culture of psychiatry and psychology and understand how we arrived at where we are today, with both professions barking so loudly up the wrong tree. Whilst you are there, you’ll see how both professions, inside and out of the NHS and pretty much globally, rely 100% on people not getting well.
If your practice relies on patients coming through the door to pay your bills, the staff wages, or simply to be able to tick a set of boxes to confirm that you are providing treatment/contact to secure the next year of funding, then you are going to be rather tempted or prone to keeping those patients coming back.
Let the scales fall from your eyes Fink.
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So Lucy, apparently you think the NHS is useless, and worse, is actually designed so that people don’t get better! So what would you replace it with? A commercial free-for-all, where charlatans such as Johnson can make any wild claims they like without having to prove any of them?
What have I done to help make the world even slightly better? You’re not going to agree with me, but I spent most of my working life in what you might understand best as research into genetic diagnosis and engineering. What have you done?
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but then any average researcher would already know the answer to those questions, aided by the fact i posted the link to this re mad world of parkhurst on this very thread, some people insist that i do not post links to them as they will do their own research, but they freely post links to others! …they would have discovered that within 3yrs of his arrival his wing in parkhurst, had become a haven of peace, where prisoners were now relaxed reading and creating art a centre…that the drugs bill was now tiny, that panic alarms that used to frequently ring, stopped….but hey lets not let truth get in the way of denial.eh!
this man should be given a nobel prize but as he is a maverick and stood up to the then government he will not get it….this is an extract from the link i mentioned….
“Bob Johnson may well be on to something, but he knows that his discoveries are political cyanide for a Home Secretary who wants blood-red meat to feed to public opinion. Parkhurst Prison has asked the Home Office to analyse Johnson’s results so that they have hard evidence on which to build policy. The Home Office has done nothing. Johnson submitted a paper about his work to the Reed Committee on mentally disordered offenders. The Committee did not even acknowledge it. Johnson went to London to talk to the Prisons Minister, Peter Lloyd. He thought Lloyd understood what he was saying, but he has yet to see any action.”
funny how those who claim to defend others call those that do charlatans, yet dr bob sacrificed his career in the defence of the rights of others….many think that the problem is gentics…johnson has proved this theory to be bunk….keep up the good work lucy we’ll get there in the end….
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“Johnson submitted a paper about his work to the Reed Committee on mentally disordered offenders”
Where was that paper published, so everyone can read it? I’m interested in real evidence, not hearsay or sales pitches.
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Obd, thank you for posting about the toxic culture that Bob Johnson has sought to heal with his work.
It’s a complex world to an outsider who has not had to consider these issues. Bob Johnson was caught up in an ideological purge by weak politicians who preferred the success of their own careers and their imagined place in history, to acknowledging something that worked to calm and heal violence in the individual. If Bob Johnson’s methods had been adopted in prisons throughout the land, our prisons would be true places of rehabilitation, not the cesspits of brutality and insanity that they are. His method encourages self determination and freedom. The very things that most politicians make the most effort to extinguish in the populace.
The politics of any industry is a dangerous and tangled nightmare to navigate. Fink is struggling, because the humanist approach is a radical shock to most, when they have been dragged up in a culture hell bent on the destruction of community and founded on the insane ideal that punishment is the way forward for any individual who is not happy to tug their forelock and behave like a compliant serf.
Bob Johnson saves lives. It’s not easy for either party, there will be mighty big mountains along the way, they can all be climbed in time. Emotion drives us. It’s a shame that so many will not, nay, refuse to ignore this simple truth. Without emotion we would not exist as the species Homo Sapiens today.
Successive governments, our deteriorating and impoverished culture, the cheapening of life, the disappearance of basic respect in day to day life, the monstrous shape of capitalist society as it implodes, have all contributed to our fear of emotion, fear of ourselves. But it’s acknowledging that power of emotion, acknowledging that fear, that will in part save us all.
Our worth is not simply, as Fink implies, purely based on paid, glamorous employment, tinkering with the expression of genes. Our worth is in our ability to be humane.
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Fink, do you by any chance post on the fora at Bad Science.net? There are always several rabid MLSO types demanding peer reviewed evidence, yet when they get it, they frequently show themselves up to be incapable of understanding what “good evidence” actually is.
An important indication of success in science is to establish if the evidence can be repeated again and again, reliably.
Bob Johnson has proved his method works again and again.
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Lucy – Perhaps you should try asking questions instead of jumping to silly conclusions about what I think. Have you got any questions?
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Good stuff, Lucy. At least Fink is a catalyst – I spent a good deal of time finking last night! The trouble is too much of it gets you nowhere as you so rightly say it’s the emotion which causes the problems. We don’t do enough feeling and far too much thinking as that is the way the left brain education system is designed – to end up analysing everything and never getting the right brain whole picture. So the emotions get left out, trapped in our bodies for years as the video I posted demonstrates. I can’t see anything wrong with trying a very simple, free, well respected non-invasive modality that helps free the emotions as EFT or Tapping does. But Fink pours scorn and calls it snake oil! Dear, dear. Let’s start on big pharma shall we with iatrogenic deaths, fraud, deceit, trials and fines for starters but how about all the blackmail and other influences tempting doctors like free holidays and golfing trips etc etc, but because they have their degree they’re not snake oil? Snake oil can come in some very odd disguises but if you have experience, intuition, intelligence and curiosity then you will find what works for you. And when you have the DWP and Atos on to you you need something that is free and works fast. Been there fink? No thought not. Compassion, love, kindness, care, empathy and walking in someone else’s moccasins are not gained by thinking. They come from the heart.
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you’ll find on bob’s web site a curing mental pain video where the story is told by karl of 2 ordinary people WITHOUT any specialist knowledge, as both karl and bob describes them, cured karls violence and him, whilst he was in prison….before anyone claims that this could not happen inside or outside of prison, i’ll refer them to bbc panorama tom marigold 1997 transcript, be warned it is toe curling reading, and the mad world of parkhust prison by nick davies…you can also find a word doc entitled ..”an inmate speaks about personality disorder”….which also tells karl’s story…
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tom
there are tories who advocate a yes vote!
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Amnesiaclinic
“Compassion, love, kindness, care, empathy and walking in someone else’s moccasins are not gained by thinking. They come from the heart.”
I couldn’t disagree more. You can ONLY put yourself in somebody else’s shoes or try to care for them by thinking carefully about it.
“…if you have experience, intuition, intelligence and curiosity then you will find what works for you”
What if you’re a person currently having difficulty using those mental attributes sensibly? Let me try to think of an example… errrmmm… I know! – If you have a mental health problem?
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OBD – Maybe you missed my question – Where was that paper published, so everyone can read it?
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Tom – OBD is right, and your partisan assumption illustrates the corrosive problem with aligning yourself entirely with one party, as you appear to have done for the entire existence of Pride’s Purge.
Mind you you’re right that I am a bit of a self-important tit sometimes.
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Lucy –
“Fink, do you by any chance post on the fora at Bad Science.net?”
No, I do not. The objective of the site appears to be rationally highlighting where science has been misused. You might take a lesson from that.
“Bob Johnson has proved his method works again and again.”
Then why has he not published that ‘proof’? To take your own comment about understanding good evidence – Bob Johnson not only hasn’t published that, he hasn’t published any evidence at all.
P.S. I wouldn’t disparage ‘MLSO types’ if I were you. They help save lives too.
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Tom – You really are a very naughty little boy! I might even call your administration of a ‘free speech zone’ hypocritical if I thought it might provoke you.
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Just my little joke.
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I know that Tom. I assumed you just forgot to add your usual brackets and italics when you’re talking about yourself.
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No, but I expected better of the Labour Party.
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Now you’ve had your joke and I’ve had mine, you can remove what you added to my post pretending to be me.
BTW – Isn’t it odd… Ms Fawkes turns out to have been right!
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Tom – I’m not sure if you use keyword notification or not, so maybe you didn’t see my post, or maybe you’re busy. I think you should now remove the ‘joke’ you added to my post, pretending to be from me.
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Someone here is thorough Tory scum with their tongue well and truly lodged in Cameltoes (call me Dave) arsehole, is that right FinkFurst.
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Brain Hooper – If you mean me, what makes you think I’m Tory scum?
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Hey Fink! Here’s one for you to ponder…
Psychology and psychiatry are not sciences They truly reside in the sphere of philosophy.
Science can only discover what is tangible. The mind is not tangible.
Examine and discuss!
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Lucy said: “Psychology and psychiatry are not sciences”
I’ve pondered that for at least three seconds and I say you are completely wrong. Would like to discuss it in detail? I’m not going to waste my time if you just disappear as soon as I put a question to you, as you did with my question from above:
“So Lucy, apparently you think the NHS is useless, and worse, is actually designed so that people don’t get better! So what would you replace it with? A commercial free-for-all, where charlatans such as Johnson can make any wild claims they like without having to prove any of them?”
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It’s not that the NHS is useless but that much of the treatment given by doctors is often just treating the symptoms and yes, with chemo and radiotherapy in cancer treatment you get the drug companies making billions while the figures themselves show that it is a very poor success rate. That is why it is so exciting that doctors like Lissa Rankin are looking at the whole person and trying to get to the root of the problem while giving power, choice and responsibility back to the person whose body it is.
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amnesiaclinic – The question was for Lucy, but you didn’t answer it either. Of course some treatments have a poor success rate, some diseases are very difficult to treat. That’s another statement of the bleeding obvious. I’ll ask again, what are you going to replace the NHS with? Quack ‘doctors’ who are under NO obligation to prove the efficacy OR the safety of their treatments?
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Tom – I really think you should remove it…
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…and OBD, because you liked that post, do you think I’m Tory scum too?
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Why are we talking about replacing the NHS? Surely we should be talking about improving it. Carving it up and selling it off is not an improvement. The administration costs of the market place are simply a drain on precious resources that could be used for front-line services that are being drastically cut.
It’s the training of doctors that is so based on symptoms and pills and nothing else. There is hardly any nutrition and no acknowledgement of any other systems of healing that have been around for thousands of years. There is incredible knowledge that has been backed by science in herbs, epigenetics and EFT to give a few examples. Surely from your own work you must have seen how peer-reviewed science can be skewed and falsified and twisted so that the results show exactly what the sponsors want.
Things are changing and very fast. People are taking back their own power for their own bodies and there are many exciting projects going on. GreenMedInfo is one and Sacred Science another where people who had been written off by the medics were taken to the Amazon and treated by shamans with herbs backed and overseen by medical doctors. The results were very impressive. Do check those out.
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the yanky way is the rotten way look even their government now fraud in their system of the b ugger im lost again cant find the words to explain but some will now about their care but the their health care for the poor by their method is abused by their contractors who take out more monies than running our own nhs services nay private forget it unless they get back in god forbid jeff3
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amnesiaclinic – “It’s the training of doctors that is so based on symptoms and pills and nothing else.”
That’s so simplistic that any subsequent argument you might give becomes risible. If you think symptoms are not crucial to diagnosis by ANY kind of doctor then you’re a complete idiot.
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