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Until just a couple of weeks ago, Stewart Wilson used to be an activist and a keen supporter of the Liberal Democrats – when suddenly he decided to leave the party and join the Scottish National Party. I asked Stewart why he decided to abandon the Lib Dems and join the SNP. Here is his reply – which I think gives a very telling insight into the present state of the Lib Dems – and I post it without further comment:
Stewart: I joined the Liberal Democrats in 2010. With the economy in such a bad way, and myself reflecting on what sort of future my wife and kids were going to have, I decided that Nick Clegg and his party offered the most hope. He also represented the best chance of getting rid of the destructive, divisive two party system that Britain had been strangled by – The Duopoly – for the last sixty years.
It seemed so straightforward at the time. Labour had been seriously discredited. The Tories carried a very toxic reputation, but had some sort of discipline and credibility, so surely the best form of Government to have would be a Tory/Lib Dem Coalition where the latter neutralised the former as much as possible, creating compromise consensus politics.
I was very wrong.
I simply underestimated the power of the vested interests that challenging The Duopoly provokes. The media – along with The Tories and Labour and many other hidden forces – connived together to make the Liberal Democrats’ existence in government a nightmare.
Futility was such, I began to feel that for all the commitment I was putting into the Lib Dems, it was all going to be for nothing.
But I’m not going to rip the Lib Dems apart. The party is full of very decent, intelligent people. They simply aren’t allowed to flourish in this country which is so switched off to the idea of Coalition. It’s because of this and the vicious defending of the two-party system by the vested interests that the Lib Dems have suffered…..not because of any serious deficiencies within the party.
I don’t regret my time with the Lib Dems one bit. It has actually helped me understand the Scottish Independence issue very well. The concern about vested interests exists for the SNP just as it does for Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrats – its the same – upsetting the political dyed-in-the-wool status quo. But instead of the two party Duopoly issue, its the breaking up of the United Kingdom issue.
I personally don’t see a great future for the Liberal Democrats. Clegg is unpopular, the party is unpopular and the general awareness of their achievements (impressive Lib Dem policies or blocking of Tory policies) remains stifled by vested interests – or just plain apathy.
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Please feel free to comment.
Pride's Purge 
Immediately I heard from my house-mate that Clegg was an ex Young Conservative, I knew exactly what was going to happen. Why on Earth was your friend so surprised!
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Nothing in that deals with the Lib Dems own responsibility for the messes that they find themselves in. Funny how it always seems to be somebody else’s fault.
Nobody forced the Lib Dems to drop their opposition to tuition fees in their pursuit of power for example. Nor did the media stop Clegg from dealing with allegations of improper behaviour well before they came to public attention.
A lot of these problems were created by the Lib Dems – regardless of any hostility coming from the media.
It’s the Lib Dems – and only the Lib Dems – that bear responsibility for any fallout from these issues and to pretend otherwise is delusional in my opinion.
It’s true: a 3rd powerful party is a valuable thing to have. Whether this should be the Lib Dems is another matter.
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Isn’t it funny how those that are considered to be so intelligent can be so stupid and lack common sense or practicality usually? Or was it just plain old self interest that forced the lib dems to take a seat at the devils table?
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He’s leaving one ‘Duopoly’ for another…only this one is in Scotland. Coalitions have never worked in other countries, Italy being a supreme example.
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Germany doesn’t seem to be doing too badly with one.
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they work ok when a coalition acts like a coalition not just one party rubber stamping the decisions of another.
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Paul – Denmark, Finland and Switzerland are examples of coalition governments which have been successful for decades. There are many more countries which operate perfectly well with coalitions lasting for a few years between majority governments.
…and what ‘Duopoly’ in Scotland do you mean?
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…or bullying each other. The secret is to actually WANT to reach consensus for the good of the people. This means acting like adults!
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This means fighting to the death for what you believe in, not rolling over and dying like Clegg did.
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No, quite the reverse. Consensus requires compromise, not blank refusal to compromise.
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Clegg didn’t compromise he just rolled over and implemented anything that the tories wanted to implement, some things should not be compromised.
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i wonder weather the libdems really did sell out there principles or weather they never really held those principles in the first place.
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g fawkes
agreed, and add…
once human rights to the vitals of life are met…one can compromise, forgive understand and tolerate to one’s hearts content, simply because they have no power over one….these things should not even be on the political agenda…these things (meritocracy) are on the political agenda, because humanity has sleep walked into their acceptance through, compromise, forgiveness, understanding, and tolerance, that the vitals of life are negotiable, and within the gift of others to say yes or no, to access of our natural rights, based on performance, beliefs, et al….that they are on the political agenda is exactly what gave hitlers his power and the cooperation by the civil service of course…we should be resisting and moving away from meritocracy not marching ever towards it…once our natural sense of empathy compassion and love is restored all will be well…only in our recent history have we fought over the vitals of life, and this has been caused by the greed of capitalism..we all know this because, however we argue, this is always the root/core of the argument pro-anti…who gets what…why others deserve more or less etc etc…
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“The secret is to actually WANT to reach consensus for the good of the people”
which people?
themselves? done that
the rich? they’ve done that
the poor, disabled, unemployed? oppression rules okay!
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Doing deals behind closed doors is NOT the same as consensus, and it’s not the foundation for successful coalition government. All discussion must be in the public government forum and subject to scrutiny.
The LibDems were f***ed from the word go. Their only weapon was to provoke another general election, which effectively be to cut their own throats. A PR election system is the best way to resolve the rUK’s fundamental democratic impasse, and therefore it will not happen.
Jed – I meant the majority of the people, and the majority are not rich. Do you agree with that consensus principle?
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Reblogged this on gingerblokeblog and commented:
One of many who have and no doubt will decide to walk away from the Liberal Democrats following Clegg’s leadership and the party’s decision to join the Tories in coalition government.
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Reblogged this on seachranaidhe1.
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People who judge the intelligence of others invariably consider themselves to be more intelligent than those they judge.
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says the person who judges others as being fools….
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Says the person who, if he judges another to be a fool, is willing to explain and justify that judgement, and is willing admit to being wrong if not… and is also willing to accept the charge of foolishness if it is justified.
Are you willing to do the same?
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says the person who always deflects the question away from themselves…i don’t judge myself by your standards but my own, and i will justify what i need to justify, get to the root truth, at my own pace and not yours….
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No, I don’t deflect the question from myself. My reply was absolutely about me and about you. If you want to question me then you can simply ask me a question. I completely accept your right to judge yourself, me or anybody else in whatever way you wish. I judge people by whether and how they ask and answer questions… Do you remember why I called you a fool?
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of course, i also remember you calling me a moron, and i pointed out to you then that if one calls another a moron one must also offer a constructive remedy..saying someone is a fool is not a remedy, now had you called me a fool and offered remedy, that stopped me being foolish that would be a constructive start…if someone calls me a fool they are doubting my intelligence….so calling someone a fool is judging another intelligence, which in my book is a sensible conclusion…you made a statement and complained that you had posted it 3 times, but i brought up another subject namely the IR…you failed to explain to me why it was justifiable although you did make an “if you like”, caveat which on further consideration i should have pointed this out to you at the time, but as we are in a sound byte format i did not think that this would be implicitly necessary, i now see that it was…my mistake , i should have accounted for that and ask you directly why the IR is justifiable in your view…i will in future ensure that if i respond to any of your posts to reply with this in mind….i’m tired now bye…
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‘The problem with this house is that it doesn’t have enough hyenas.’
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I’ll try to answer you as plainly and honestly as I can, but I’m not sure what you mean by “the IR”, and I don’t want to jump to wrong conclusions. I also don’t remember calling you a moron. When did I do that? Maybe it was intended for Ms Fawkes! I also note that you didn’t ask me a single question… I’ll check back tomorrow.
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the lib dems best hope of gaining support was by getting disenchanted lab/con voters and not jumping into bed with either party as it stands it looks like they are conservatives in yellow ties I reckon they are finished as any sort of influence in uk politics lab voters wont consider supporting them now and the conservatives wont need them following Scottish independence which despite the claims of the media is going to happen its inevitable the Scottish electorate knows what will happen if they vote no the scots aren’t stupid they know Scotland will be stripped bare as an act of revenge if its a no vote
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The majority of people might not be rich but the middle class and their delusions of grandeur see them voting with the super rich, that is how you have consensus politics in favour of right wing policies, even the labour party have joined in leaving the working class without democratic redress.
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Correct… in England.
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For someone who believes in consensus and compromise you as a Scottish Nationalist are not doing much of either with UK government (not that I blame you, especially as I’m not big on compromise myself).
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If either side is failing to think about compromise it’s ‘Better Together’ and their bullying, unreasoned rhetoric.
What??? Surely not! You mean Ms Guy ‘Lock up all bisexuals’ Fawkes isn’t big on compromise? You amaze me! You’ll be admitting that you’re a little bit bigoted next!
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If being anti-something is being bigoted, then I would say that there are probably a lot of bigoted people around.
I didn’t quite get your drift on ‘better together’ and bullying unreasoned rhetoric?
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It IS bigoted to be anti-something if you have no good reason for being so, as you are about bisexuality (amongst other things)… and yes, there are a lot bigoted people around!
Regarding the “Better Together” group, I meant the unreasoned refusal to discuss a sterling currency union.
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So basically the Lib Dems share no responsibility for conniving in the implementation of neo-liberal policies and giving up the one thing they were supposed to stand for – civil liberties – it’s all the fault of that wicked duopoly and vested interests. Not very convincing.
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I think I have good reason to be anti-bi so what other things are you talkling about where I am supposedly bigoted?
The government may think Scotland is being selfish and unreasonable for wanting independence and is the reason for digging it’s heels in over shared sterling, so what does Scotland propose to do about it, will they be able to compromise on this one?
I wish Scotland well on their quest for independence and can fully understand why, but there are others in the North East of England and Wales who would be sad to see the separation.
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If your reason to make bisexuality (and not homosexuality) a criminal offence is a good one, why are you so afraid to say what it is? This is an anonymous forum, so why not say what you really think…?
As for your point about Scotland, we will have to wait and see. I’m glad you understand why Scotland would wish to be free of the appalling Westminster political system. My opinion is that Scotland should have it’s own currency, pegged to sterling. This is a stable model, as shown by the various currencies pegged to the US dollar. If the rUK economy hits disaster, then Scotland can vary the rate or abandon the pegging any time it wishes.
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If you cannot see why bisexuality is bad for society then I am not spelling it out for you, at least with homosexuality (if it is a genuine genetic leaning) would find it anathema to sleep with the opposite sex, thus pursuing partners of similar bent and would not or should not be predatory sexually around the heterosexual community.
So what is preventing you from having your own currency pegged to sterling, or does Mr Salmond want to stick with sterling, or are is the British government preventing you pegging sterling?
Sorry for my ignorance on Scottish politics, I can barely keep up with British politics at the moment, but catch snippets on the news.
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You have still not given ANY reason why bisexual people should be put in jail, and heterosexual or homosexual people should not. Your pathetic ‘if you don’t understand then I’m not going to explain’ cr@p should have been left behind when you were 10 years old. Come on… GIVE YOUR REASON OR SIMPLY ADMIT THAT YOU’RE A BIGOT.
I don’t speak for the SNP, only for myself, and I gave you my opinion. Your question is daft – obviously the rUK government would have no say in whether another currency is pegged to theirs. If you want to know what the SNP leadership thinks about a pegged currency then you’ll have to ask them, not me. I think you need to grow up and start to understand that there are more than two sides to every argument.
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I think you need to grow up and stop insulting people, you talk of consensus you could not blend in with a kitchen full of blenders.
I said bisexuals should be convicted if it can be proved that they have caused physical or mental damage to a person because of their latent sexuality, true homosexuals would not be crossing boundaries or are you saying that all homosexuals are bisexual? If that is the case then they do not have a case for homosexuality.
I’m afraid I am not into grey areas when it comes to certain subjects unless it can be proven that there are grey areas and in the case of sexuality there should not be.
It is you that has not grown up because you seem to want everything to go your way, every whim, every fantasy, the anything goes attitude. I’m sorry if I consider loyalty, honesty and responsibility preferable to the grey lifestyles you are championing.
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In what way can bisexuality (latent or not) cause any physical or mental damage to others which heterosexuality or homosexuality cannot? If you cannot answer that then you are simply a bigot. I bet you cannot answer….
You should stop jumping to naive assumptions. I consider honesty and responsibility to be very important, but not blind loyalty. If by “grey” you mean choice without harming others, then I fundamentally disagree with you.
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I am not going round in circles with you especially as your last sentence is partly in agreement with my stance choice WITHOUT HARMING OTHERS, so how could they harm others? When is it not choice, more coercion based on lies!
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I will ask you again… In what way can bisexuality (latent or not) cause any physical or mental damage to others which heterosexuality or homosexuality cannot? Until you can answer that I will continue to call you the bigot which you appear to be.
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The fact that you want to call people names highlights just how immature you are, those that have or would be harmed by bisexuality or predatory homosexuality within the heterosexual community should have redress to a legal system.
You know how they could harm them and so do others without my finite detail, so stop harassing me, something which also appears to be prevalent within your petulant, obsessive, childish nature.
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No, I DO NOT know how being bisexual causes harm to anyone. Please explain. If you think people should be criminalised for doing something harmless, but you are too afraid, ashamed or stupid to discuss it plainly, then you are a bigot.
This is an EQUAL exchange of posts, so how can I be harassing you??? You are doing exactly the same thing! You really need to grow up and have the courage to say what you really think… or STFU.
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You are a liar when you state that bisexuality or predatory homosexuality within the heterosexual community is harmless and you want to STFU promoting your perverse nature as something that is consensual or just plain old fun when you know full well there are victims
So call away sticks and stones and all of that childish crap, which seems to offend the gay community more than the heterosexual community, personally I think coming from either side, name calling is childish wanting a predatory free society is not.
subject closed.
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” …..not because of any serious deficiencies within the party. ”
He is having a laugh 😀
Clegg was a plant, your LD leadership has trampled any so called principles underfoot.
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Other countries may or may not work with coalitions. I feel that the problem is that everything becomes ‘horse trading’ behind closed doors. The electorate can never get any real change even when they want it.
I doubt if any of these countries have a more divided pair of political parties than GB. It’s hard to be in coalition with a mortal enemy.
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You are VERY confused about sexuality! Not all bigotry is the person’s own fault, so perhaps I shouldn’t be so critical of you. The answer is to discuss different sexualities in private with an open-minded person, if you know any. I don’t think you’re ready to talk honestly about sexuality in an open forum like this, even though it’s totally anonymous.
I’ll just ask you to ask yourself – Why are you so preoccupied about predatory sexual behaviour by bisexual and homosexual people, and never heterosexual? Maybe if you can eventually recognise your own bigotry then you can do something about it.
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I don’t care where the abnormal predatory sexual behaviour comes from, all is WRONG and not conducive to a stable society. Open minded to you is not someone who is willing to listen to your point of view, but allows you to f… peoples lives up just because you want to.
Policing the perverted is impossible, but those that have been detrimentally affected should have redress to the law.
YOU ARE ARGUING AGAINST THIS!
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nah, i’m too tired today to have an in depth discussion…but i still reference..are we born ignorant….which i assert provably we are not, and have also made many references to this proof….no human being can ever reach full maturity…
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No, I’m arguing against your statement – “I would make bisexuality illegal”.
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ps no recovery is possible if we, as you say are born ignorant…and people can and do recover…what do we recover? we recover self….
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I would if I could , but you know as well as I do it would be near on impossible to police, as was the farce to try and prove infidelity in divorce cases in the past, that is why the only way to get any redress would be through the law if one feels they have been violated or harmed in any way. I refuse to repeat myself again
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So you have confirmed that you want to make bisexuality illegal, but you still can’t say why!
Why the f*** would I want to police it when I think it’s normal, harmless human behavior?
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Normal to you maybe but I think there would be many that would disagree with you, but hey keep on shouting!
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No, normal to our species, and other animal species. You STILL can’t justify your own statement “I would make bisexuality illegal”…
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I have, but you are clearly a person that is never satisfied!
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That is simply false, you have not justified your often-stated opinion: “I would make bisexuality illegal”.
OK – I’ll test you. If a woman gets married to a man even though she thinks she’s homosexual, and then later has a homosexual relationship – In your mind is that a crime and she should be prosecuted?
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Only from a moral point of view, you cannot prosecute all infidelity the courts would never be empty, but it is one type of personal harm that emanates from the lies and deceit of the bisexual wanting a relationship with whoever they want, with the victim having no say or choice from the outset and may not have been a willing participant in the relationship had they known of their dual personality.
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So are you now saying that only SOME bisexuality should be illegal? Would you care to define which should be illegal and which should not? You say “…personal harm that emanates from the lies and deceit of the bisexual wanting a relationship”. How about a heterosexual person having more than one sexual relationship. That often involves lies and deceit, so should that be illegal too?
You also appear to think that bisexual people have a dual personality? Are you implying that it’s a mental illness?
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bisexuality is more than infidelity and going from man to woman can be more than confusing to any offspring from the relationship, but so long as the unfaithful bisexual can have their own way, what the hell.
Going from a man to a woman sexually would imply a dual personality and deceitful behaviour, as for it being a subject for the psychiatrists couch is concerned, I think not, as they usually create bigger problems for society than they cure, you can’t cure wilfulness or wanton behaviour anyway, the only person that can change that would be the one that is flitting from one person to another to sate their appetite and to hell with everyone else.
It is selfish, indulgent and morally unacceptable and if spreading disease, socially and legally unacceptable too.
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We are ALL born as ignorant infants, with almost nothing but instinct to guide us. As we grow our ability to choose what or how to learn (or not) increases. It’s how we exercise that choice which matters.
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“The electorate can never get any real change even when they want it.” – I completely disagree
The UK electorate could have chosen PR, and did not do so. They therefore chose the current status.
Scotland has a major choice in front of it, and we will see what happens…
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You STILL can’t give any reason why bisexual infidelity is so much worse than heterosexual or homosexual infidelity that it should become a new criminal offence! Why don’t you just admit that you’re wrong?
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No I won’t admit that I am wrong because I am not.
You have never once mentioned the victims in all of this philandering that you support.
As a heterosexual woman I would feel violated if a bisexual man tried to sleep with me without my knowing he was what is in effect homosexual,yet wanton enough or egotistical enough to think he is gods gift to both men and women to jump into bed with them – he would not be to the unsuspecting woman that slept with him only to find he may be leading a double life and sleeping with a man at the same time.
The same could be said if a bisexual woman had been sleeping with a gay man and wanting to sleep with a gay woman or even try their hand at a straight woman or straight man, which they are wilful enough to do, they would be presenting the same deceit and risk factor.
That constitutes violation of an innocent person in my eyes.
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You are one VERY confused person!
To take just ONE of your many fantastically bizarre statements – “I would feel violated if a bisexual man tried to sleep with me without my knowing he was what is in effect homosexual”. So would it be OK if he was actually a homosexual man and not just “in effect homosexual”?????
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Of course not, if he was really homosexual a straight woman would be an anathema to him sexually and he would not be giving a straight woman the come on in the first place unless he was taking the proverbial p…, which they are prone to do anyway if they are not part of their homosexual/bisexual free for all.
Can you labour this subject any more than you are doing, for your own merriment, pity you are not getting the answers or the trip ups you were hoping for.
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You are such an innocent! Do you really think gay people are unable to have sex with somebody of the opposite sex? I was wondering… are you a Christian?
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You mean as opposed to a heathen like you? If gay people want sex with someone of the opposite sex then they are not gay are they, so there is no reason to oppose homosexuality on those grounds, to get rid of gay pride and to stop pandering to their so called differing genetic leanings.
We all know that gay men are capable of sleeping with women if the women are daft enough to sleep with them that is, frankly men are definitely more prone to the anything goes lifestyle than women, thankfully someone has the common sense and decency to know better.
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no reason NOT to oppose homosexuality on those grounds.
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“If gay people want sex with someone of the opposite sex then they are not gay are they”
Another classic quote from Ms Guy “Wot me, homophobic?” Fawkes.
All I did was ask if you are a Christian, and you immediately call me a “heathen”! You didn’t even have the courtesy to ask before you branded me! Face it, you are a bigot!
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Of course I am a bigot, big-On-Truth, more than I can say for you and your lying cheating homo/bi friends.
Not watching football, all of those lovely bare legs and balls to feast your eyes on?
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Isn’t it strange that dozens of your sick, bigoted, rhetorical posts have been based on your assumption that I’m gay or bisexual, and yet you NEVER ONCE even bothered to ask me. You don’t even know if I’m male or female. There is no doubt that you are a bigot.
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I forgot that you said on January 22, 2014 at 12:07 pm:
“It is so obvious what your sex and sexual persuasion is, your colour too.”
You’re just not very interested in the truth about anybody else, are you? You only care about maintaining your own sick, bigoted prejudices at all costs.
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I am on here to debate my point of view not to give my life story or familiarize myself with yours, I do not need a crystal ball to know you are male, probably gay and defo white, if I am wrong what the hell, you have been wrong about so much about me, and when on the ropes or backed into a corner on your beliefs, you try to find something you can throw at me whether it is my gender, my age, my colour, my religion and on and on it goes.
Give up, i refuse to be baited by you and your anti-hetrosexual/pro homo/bisexual ranting.
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….and your repeated point of view is “I would make bisexuality illegal” and you STILL are unable to even START to explain why, let alone debate your reasons! Your posts reek of hypocrisy with every word.
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Unlike you, when did I EVER mention your colour?
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You implied I was a white racist as well as a bigot, I never mentioned racism except to say people should laugh at themselves instead of taking offense all of the time, because in most instances comics want to engage and integrate by laughing with one another rather than at one another.
I am not talking about the smart Alecs on the internet just spoiling for a fight like you, who think it’s funny to insult people by pulling them up for their spelling, their lack of knowledge on subjects you may be proficient in or call people names for their beliefs, I am talking about laughing at things that are genuinely witty or humorous and yes that can be considered discriminatory by those who want to take offense i.e. I could be offended by sexist jokes but I’m not, nor would I be offended if a comic made a joke about my skin colour. I think people know who is deliberately cruel or having a dig and who are just joking around with supposedly taboo subjects.
As for bisexuality I WOULD MAKE ANY RESULTING HARM FROM IT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE and have explained why, if you refuse to acknowledge that fact, then tough, because I have no intentions of repeating myself, you are the one that keeps bringing the subject up, from now on I will direct you to the archives on the subject.
You and your beliefs that bisexuality is normal, you think exonerates you from being answerable to those that do not think it is normal, therefore I do not have to explain why I think my beliefs on the subject to you either, except to say that you are WRONG.
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I do not have to explain my beliefs on the subject to you either, except to say that you are wrong.
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You said: January 22, 2014 at 12:07 pm
“It is so obvious what your sex and sexual persuasion is, your colour too.”
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Because you were trying to say before I made that remark that I bet you are racist as well as a bigot and I am neither, you deliberately reprint snippets taken out of context with the whole argument to try and prove your point – whatever your point is, because it is based on nothing but innuendo like your insults, to which I retaliate in kind as you have chosen to highlight above.
DECEIVER!
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Really? You said: January 23, 2014 at 8:34 pm
“gays are the biggest hypocrites walking”
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We all have a duty to oppose racism, homophobia and other bigotry wherever we find it. I think it’s particularly disgusting when it’s driven by religion.
I will continue to challenge your bigotry. Get used to it.
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So you are a religious bigot now! There is not much bigotry that you are not guilty of, kettle, pot comes to mind.
You can challenge all you want but it won’t get you anywhere other than you repeating the same rhetoric and me denying it if and when I can be bothered, but to be honest you are boring me rigid.
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You can say “I would make bisexuality illegal” and “gays are the biggest hypocrites walking” and still claim that you’re not bigoted????? Wake up!
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How are they gay if they are sleeping with the opposite sex – how hypocritical is that? it blows a hole clean through their arguments that they need special treatment or consideration from us so called bigots, because they have different needs and circumstances.
Stop wasting your time!
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So how about a lesbian woman who is forced by society or family to get married and repress her sexuality? Is she hypocritical? You would have her sent to prison!!!
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Don’t gay people have minds of their own? by the time they get round to marrying age they should be able to say no to their parents or anyone else for that matter.
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Then I sincerely wish that one day you could also face the decision between being killed by your own family and denying your sexuality. You are the most unapologetic, disgusting, bigoted person I have ever encountered on any discussion site. I am the enemy of you and everyone who thinks like you.
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By God what a drama queen. How many people do you know who are being killed by their own family for being gay? I wouldn’t say this was endemic in British culture!
Don’t reply to me if I am your enemy, keep your own counsel.
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You think people are not killed for being gay? Your refusal to accept reality is borne of discrimination and bigotry, not anything as innocent as stupidity, though that you also clearly show. I think your refusal includes approval of violence towards anyone who does not fit your view of acceptable ‘normal’ sexuality, as evidenced by your wish to see all bisexuals criminalised.
I will reply to you whenever I wish, and I will attack your every bigoted post that I see. You have NO say in that matter. Do not doubt that I am your enemy, and all bigots like you.
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Your the bloody fanatic here not me, I have never heard such colourful or inflammatory rhetoric in all of my life!
Get yourself off to bed you moron so we do not have to listen to your garbage.
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You’re not your!
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It’s “your” you fool! I don’t know which is greater, your stupidity or your bigotry.
If you think I’m a fanatic? Really? I’m not the one who says that bisexuality should be made illegal.
I’ll ask a question this time – Do you think a lesbian woman who is forced by society or family to get married and repress her sexuality is guilty of a crime? Yes or No…
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Who the hell do you think you are talking to mad mad?
The first word in my last comment is YOU’RE not YOUR, the second your referring to garbage is correct. I do have English ‘A’ level so I think I know what I am talking about, we all make typing errors when reply with speed.
I am not answering your stupid questions, you are obsessed with your own sexuality, but I will say that if she did marry then both her and her parents are guilty of deceit,the lesbian should have sought help and refuge from such parents so that she was not in a position to deceive someone else, or are you going to tell me she was forced to marry a gay man who was also forced by his parents.
Time these gays had some backbone and stood up for themselves.
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mad man!
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So when a bisexual person deceives somebody about who they’ve slept with then it should be a criminal offence, but when a heterosexual person does exactly the same then it shouldn’t? Why the difference?
OR… have you changed your mind and you’re now admitting that bisexuality should NOT be illegal?
Countless LGBT people over many years HAVE had the backbone and raw courage to stand up to bigots like you, and in some countries their rights have finally been recognised. Yet still there are disgusting people like you who want to make sexuality a criminal offence again.
You supposedly have an ‘A’ level in English, and yet you consistently used the word “hetrosexual”!
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Go back to sleep you moron! I have told you once I will not change my mind, for a gay to marry someone straight is more than deceit or infidelity and you know it.
If you lot have the backbone to stand up for themselves why are you throwing out hypothetical questions about those who will not speak up for themselves, perhaps you should give your phone number out and they can contact you to champion their cause, see if their parents want to kill you also!
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No, I do not know it, and I fundamentally disagree with you. You have very clearly stated that you still think bisexuality should be made illegal, and I will therefore continue to attack you for it at every opportunity.
You think people should be prosecuted and sent to prison for their sexuality, and then you say they should stand up for themselves! What hypocrisy!
It is also a measure of your prejudice that you assume that if I stand up for the rights of LGBT people then I must be one of “you lot”. By that I assume you mean anyone who is not ‘normal’ and heterosexual.
Do you think your god created homosexuality and bisexuality, or did he create only heterosexuality?
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I am referring to your lot as such because you have stated I am the enemy therefore putting up barriers.
I did not say that people should be sent to jail for their sexuality you have been reading ‘ The ballad of Reading Jail’ again haven’t you?
I said if it has been proven that bisexuality has caused harm to heterosexual people then that should be a criminal offence, the categories we have already covered so look in the archives. If I keep spelling heterosexuality wrong it is because we never hear it much these days they are not shouting it from the rooftops like homo/bisexuals are, the loud and proud brigade who think “it’s all about me”!
God most certainly did create different sexualities, but I am wondering who created such a worky ticket as you!
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you’re lot.
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scrap the correction it is your.
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If you don’t think bisexuals should be sent to jail for their ‘crime’, then are you saying they should be fined? What would you do if they have the backbone to stand up to your disgusting oppression and refuse to pay?
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My final reply to this ludicrous conversation of yours is –
IF ANYONE IS OPPRESSING ANYONE THEN IT WOULD BE THE GAY, WHO BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN WEAKNESS MARRIED A STRAIGHT PERSON OR BECAUSE OF THEIR WANTON BEHAVIOUR IS LURING IN INNOCENT HETEROSEXUAL PEOPLE OF THE SAME OR OPPOSITE SEX WITH THEIR DECEIT.
I would not fine them, I would make them do community service, preferably one that taught them the error of their ways and the chaos their deceit causes, that way the bisexuals would be constantly on community service if philandering from same sex to sex with unknowing heterosexual victims.
i would like to see the same punishment for serial adulterers of any sex, but it would be preferable for the innocent victims of such to have backbone too and get out of such relationships.
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So what would you do if the person convicted of your new crime of bisexuality stood up to your oppression and refused to do the community service?
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