(not satire – it’s the Tories!)
A by-election was held for the Chadsmead ward of Lichfield District Council yesterday following the disqualification of Conservative Cllr Mike Fryers (for not attending any council meetings for six months!)
The Tories dropped to last place after their vote was split by a UKIP candidate:
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Looks like this might be a good time for the Tories to start panicking.
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Please feel free to comment.
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Pride's Purge 
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It’s just a pity the Tory’s still won though.
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WOW, How about that. Tories on their way to the DUSTBIN
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Pride’s Purge
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No panic, let them carry on as they are, out of touch, out of mind. Soon they’ll all be left behind.
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…and look at the name of the winner. It sums up the nature of the contest! Also the number of people who voted.
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Yeah but the yellow Tories still won didn’t they?
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It looks like the lib sums got part of the votes from the tories and labour and ukip got the rest, it is more a case of telling the tories that the people are not happy with their policies and also you have to consider that Lichfield people use Stafford Hospital which the tories have happily lied about in an attempt to shut it down to pay off the horrendous costs of the PFI hospital in Stoke.
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Wouldn’t it be great if that same result were to happen in the 2015 General Election, better still if it was so bad as to consign the tory party to history, where they belong.
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Come on, at least try to get a grip on reality! The WINNING vote was only 206 people. Not even the Lib Dems would be stupid enough to draw a wider conclusion from this tiny and irrelevant sample.
… and they are ALL various degrees of right-wing, so what difference does it make anyway?
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Reblogged this on Translation Scrapbook.
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OK, let’s start playing with statistics and use them against the Tories?
Lib Dems 206 votes (36.0%) +4.8%
Labour 157 votes(27.4%) -1.6%
UKIP 108 votes(18.8%) +18.8%
Cons 102 votes(17.8%) -22.0%
Now, considering the 2011 election:
Conservative 416 39.8%
Conservative 385
Lib Dems 326 31.2%
Labour 303 29.0%
Labour 278
Lib Dems 206
The leading Lib Dem candidate in 2011 was the same person as the winner this time and got exactly the same number of votes as her running mate got in 2011!
So the truth is:
The Lib Dem vote went DOWN by two fifths!
The Labour vote was cut to a fifth of the last vote
The Cons vote was slashed to an eighth!
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UKIP Vote went up 100%!
So it is not time for the Conservatives to worry, it’s time for us all to worry that people are going to get a LOCAL election confused with NATIONAL politics.
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Mr Turtle – You left the most relevant bit until the last sentence. Not only is it only a local election, it’s a TINY one, with a TINY turnout (19%). The result could have been swung by whoever’s got the largest family voting for them!
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I get more pleasure swinging from trees
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im shocked the libdems can still win anything.
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Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog.
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Lichfield is considered very much a tory constituency in the General election so it may be interest.
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Reblogged this on glynismillward189 and commented:
Let my joy be unconfined!
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How is it possible that the Lib-Dems increased their share of the vote?
I’m guessing they actually got fewer votes, but benefited from very low turnout?
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Correct – They actually got fewer than half the number they got in 2011.
If there’s any conclusion to be drawn, it’s that there was a massive increase in apathy!
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I wonder why?
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You could try to answer your own question, or demonstrate your own apathy instead…
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Why? It is entirely obvious why people are apathetic, there is nobody worth voting for.
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Anthony Turtle you do realise that at the last election people were electing more than one candidate? (If, as I understand it, there were two candidates to be elected in 2011 that would mean that each person who voted then had two votes.) That means that in the 2014 election when only one candidate was being selected the same number of voters would have half the number of votes. That makes all your stats meaningless unless multiplied by 2, which would be necessary to find out if there had been a decline in the number of voters. (There was, but it was less dramatic than your figures suggest.)
Incidentally, if there was no UKIP candidate in the 2011 election, the UKIP vote has increased infinitely, not just by 100%. I can’t work out whether you claimed it had gone up by 100% because your mathematics is unequal to division by zero, or because you believe the average UKIP voter is too thick to realise that an infinite increase is much bigger than a 100% one.
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You said that you vote for ANYBODY who isn’t ‘mainstream’! All that says is that you are just about literate enough to make an ‘X’, but you don’t give a sh*t where you put it. I call that apathy AND stupidity.
Presumably you would vote for anybody who agrees with you that “gays are the biggest hypocrites walking” (as you said: January 23, 2014 at 8:34 pm). I would suggest that UKIP or BNP would suit you best.
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Why would UKIP suit him the councillor that the media gleefully referred to as a UKIP councillor was a tory when he made the anti gay statement UKIP has never donee that.
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…and no, that isn’t the reason for apathy, because there is, as lazy, apathetic people like you would know if you took the trouble to find out.
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I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Try some punctuation and spelling sometime…
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Well finkfurst as your name suggests a lack of spelling ability I’m not surprised that you can’t understand someone telling you that you are wrong.
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That’s better, I understood that one. What am I wrong about?
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everything!
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Who wants to vote for someone who is as bad as the ones you want to get out, I would rather waste my vote as you call it on something I did believe in, but most of the marginal parties have limited funds and cannot compete or field candidates in my area, I therfore refuse to vote for mainstream unless they really are offering something like opposition policies rather than tactical electioneering.
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Who cares what you would suggest I vote for, at least they are true to themselves and their parties not like you who would vote for whoever no matter how bad so long as it got the unpopular, equally as bad party out. Some loyalty mr Machiavelli.
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ps It is time unions moved any money or influence they have left in the direction of marginalized left wing parties instead of wasting time and effort on New Labour.
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Ms Fawkes – I didn’t ask you what I’m wrong about, I asked Mr Davies.
You have not so far mentioned ANYTHING you believe in, except homophobia (and that numerous times), so your last answer is pure hypocrisy. You could rectify that right now, if there actually IS anything in your head except bigotry……
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Which parties do you mean?
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You’re about as loyal as a bi-sexual.
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Google marginalized left wing parties.
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I asked you what YOU mean, and apparently you don’t have a f*cking clue! If you have an opinion then be prepared to justify it, otherwise your opinion is as worthless as that of a jellyfish.
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“You’re about as loyal as a bi-sexual”
Your bigotry (and especially your bigotry about sexuality) oozes out of everything you say!
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I have to justify nothing to you there are plenty of marginalized left wing parties if you look, I would rather vote for the respect party than anything you are part of. Go on pull their manifesto to pieces.
The only word you are familiar with is bigot, you remind me of the school snitch running and telling tales because someone called you names, like the boy who cried wolf when there really is something for the gay community to complain about nobody will believe them because of this pettiness.
Stop lecturing people on what they can and cannot say or how they write or spell you arsehole.
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Ah… but it entirely depends on what one says it’s 100% OF. Mr. Mock Turtle didn’t say, but I doubt that it was deliberate ambiguity!
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… So are you saying that all the UK trade unions should move “any money or influence they have left” to the Respect party “instead of wasting time and effort on New Labour”?
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P.S. …and what Respect party manifesto is that?
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There is already a new party for Socialists and Unions the TUSC, if they field in my area and they are putting forward decent policies in their manifesto I will probably vote for them in the future.
Respect have George Galloway who is a formidable opponent for anyone, so although a party is not a one man band, I think anything he has chosen to be a part of can only be a good thing, they will have their manifesto up and running before the next election.
So let’s see your opinion condemning them, because if it’s not the SNP it is not worth a vote or are you voting tactically and voting for Labour?
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The question was about trade union money and influence! Have you forgotten already? …”attention span” and “goldfish” come to mind!
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P.S. The TUSC have already written a ‘manifesto’. I guess you were SO interested in the party that you clean forgot to read it!
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Finkfurst, I didn’t say what it was 100% of, as I quoted the increase of 18.8% over the previous election, I was alluding to the fact that Mr Farage will shout the 100% increase of UKIP votes. Oh, and I don’t hide behind anonymity on here, so please don’t insult my family name!
Angela, yes, I did intimate that it was for two seats in the original reply, the decrease in votes was compared to the total number of votes for the TWO candidates. I was trying to show how manipulable statistics are and the fact that 39% of the vote is as unrepresentative as saying UKIPs increase was 18.8%.
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Maybe you should first think before you post, that way you would not post rubbish.
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Some of us do have a life and because I am not involved in local or national politics the time to be studying manifesto’s will be in the run up to the election, because even if I studied them before I don’t think anyone is going to change their manifesto just because I don’t happen to be in favour of it.
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ps the goldfish is not red enough for me!
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So Ms Guy ‘Goldfish-brain’ Fawkes – apparently the question YOU raised about trade union money and influence has now completely disappeared from your few addled brain cells!!!
…and you “don’t think anyone is going to change their manifesto just because I don’t happen to be in favour of it”? Really, you DO surprise me!
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Barry – You STILL can’t come up with anything you think I’m wrong about! I’ll take that as a conclusion…
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Mr Turtle – Please accept my apologies for my unwarranted slur on your family name. I was actually defending your use of statistics, albeit in it’s ambiguity, deliberate or otherwise.
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You claimed you couldn’t understand what I had written you are wrong it was clear to anyone who can understand the English language:-
Why would UKIP suit him the councillor that the media gleefully referred to as a UKIP councillor was a tory when he made the anti gay statement. UKIP has never done that.
It should be clear that the councillor that was being discussed was a tory councillor and had been elected as such when he made the statement. He left the tories and joined UKIP before the statement was printed and ejected from UKIP as soon as it was printed. UKIP has never had anti Gay policies. if you are to dumb to understand the English language then clearly it is a waste of time you posting here.
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Well Ms ‘Bazzer’ Davies – Obviously your earlier post was so perfectly clear that you felt you had to rewrite it… and it still makes no sense! However, you are right that UKIP doesn’t have any “anti Gay” policies, because they don’t actually have any defined policies at all!
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Yes, life is full of surprises isn’t it? I am hoping to be surprised when the unions do change their affiliation from one party to another.
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…and you STILL don’t have a f*cking clue about which parties the unions should back instead of Labour. You said it, but you obviously don’t have the faintest idea what you’re saying!
The ‘goldfish’ assessment of your mental capabilities was clearly overly ambitious!
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Well Miss don’t think at all I had to put it in the language that a 4 year old could understand as you obviously do not understand grownups, and your imbecilic claim that UKIP has no policies shows that you are a conlablibdum supporter.
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If you’re right, then please provide a link to the UKIP manifesto…
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If you had a brain you would realize my political affiliations were my own business, I have given you enough bum steers to where I would put my vote and you obviously think I would vote for UKIP no matter what I say Mr Tory SNP, so I think I will keep my one brain cell intentions to myself.
The unions will never change who they back so there is no point in speculating is there.
Labour have already changed their colours to accommodate the right wing union members and that seems good enough for the Unions that represent these members.
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“The unions will never change who they back so there is no point in speculating is there.”
…then why the f*ck did you speculate about it then!!!!!!!!
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Actually I was hoping union members might have an opinion and that is why I broached the subject, instead I got just insulting old you again. C’est la vie!
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Well no party has released its manifesto so you are just being foolish but you can check this page out ;- http://www.ukip.org/issues/policy-pages/what-we-stand-for
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I am a union member… are you?
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Barry – What complete and utter cr@p! All the main parties have published a manifesto. The SNP is the most recent. Only UKIP have said that theirs is “total drivel” and haven’t bothered to write a new one!
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Student union, yes.
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Baz – I can find a page on the UKIP web site as easily as you can, so don’t waste your time posting a link which contains NO POLICIES OR COMMITMENTS WHATSOEVER.
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Really? Which Students’ Union are you a member of?
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Wrong yet again the tories haven’t the labour haven’t and the lib sums have asked for ideas, the SNP one is for independence not the general election, so Stop your inane witterings about manifesto’s and nonsense about who has released them.
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That’s for me to know and you not to find out.
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You didn’t pick up my deliberate mistake, so it’s obvious that you are a liar and you are not a member of any ‘trade’ union.
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Wrong, but I will allow you to think that.
What union do you belong to other than the spiel crappers and chunters club union?
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You didn’t ask what my deliberate mistake was. Liars never do.
I am a member of Prospect, but previously TGWU, IPMS and NUS.
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What you were going to tell me that there is only one student union with branches throughout the country the NUS, because it is not true.
So what type of engineer were you?
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Errrrr…. what???
The NUS says “We are a confederation of 600 students’ unions…”
Or are you claiming to be a member of another students’ union which conveniently nobody else has ever heard of?
I’m not an engineer.
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Do you think you are a member of the students’ union of Hartlepool University, doing a degree in “the PREDATORY nature of the gay man”!
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Now who is the liar – you said you were an engineer.
I belong to the Teeside Branch of the NUS – I don’t need a degree in the predatory nature of gay men and women I just have to open my eyes and my ears as does anyone who wants to know the truth.
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I never said I was an engineer. You live in some kind of fantasy world of your own!
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…your reply is also very odd, because the NUS doesn’t have ‘branches’. Each university has a separate union, but part of the NUS confederation, as anyone who actually is or was a member would know. You also can’t spell “Teesside”!
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That makes both of us liars then doesn’t it! although you were the first and I believe in doing unto others as they do unto you in this instance.
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ps you have a bad memory, not good for a liar, you said in an earlier post that you were an engineer and I replied “yes a social engineer”! perhaps that has disappeared in the ether as some of your posts seem to appear.
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the ether where some of your posts seem to appear from.
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I’m glad you have now admitted that you lied.
I did not lie. I guarantee that I never said I was an engineer. All the posts are still available on this site for anyone to read, and if it’s there then you can easily find it. You won’t be able to, because it only exists in your bigoted, nasty little mind.
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I know you said it but I am not going over old posts to find it .
You’re obsessed with sex, bigots etc., this post is not a ‘strictly ballroom’ post as far as I am aware.
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Take a look at “DWP blames cancer patient for her illness” from 10 January and you will see where your mistake about being an engineer comes from.
Everybody makes silly mistakes and there’s no shame in that, but it’s good that you have now publicly admitted to lying.
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actually I wasn’t lying about you saying you were an engineer I believe to overburdenddonkey, because he was an engineer although he did not say so just spoke of the equipment he used that caused his illness, that is how I remember you saying it and what my reply to you was as stated above.
As for the unions I was not lying I have belonged to many unions in the occupations I have been in and also the Teesside university Students Union which was the NUS when I was studying there.
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Your lie wasn’t about anybody being an engineer! You admitted lying about you being a member of a students’ union, and you have just confirmed it again!!!!!
I said “I am a union member… are you?” and you replied “Student union, yes.”
YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!
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I am a student of the ‘faculty of life’ are you or are you just dead?
I was a member of a student union and have belonged to other unions pertaining to my occupation.
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Now you don’t know which students’ union you were a member of, or even if you ever went to a university!
You are just a sick fantasist with some very nasty views about homosexuality.
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Back to homosexuality are we – sorry to disappoint but sick fantasies belong with your sexuality not mine!
I still have my student union card complete with photograph.
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“…sick fantasies belong with your sexuality not mine!”
I don’t understand. I don’t know what your sexuality is, and you don’t know mine. Could you explain what you mean?
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I have my old NUS card too, but I don’t tell lies about still being a member!
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You protesteth too much about your sexuality. I had better not tell you mine since you are such a hetrosexual basher.
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I didn’t ask about your sexuality, that’s entirely up to you. I asked what you mean by “…sick fantasies belong with your sexuality not mine!” Will you explain what you really mean? If you have a genuine view then why would you try to hide it?
P.S. The word is “heterosexual” not “hetrosexual”.
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You may be obsessive about the subject of sexuality, I have my opinions based on sound evidence not an obsession like you, so refuse to continue with indulging you with your paranoid delusions about anyone who has an opinion you do not agree with.
Subject closed unless you want to talk to yourself.
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Bazzer – No, it is you who is totally wrong:
Click to access SNP_Manifesto_2011_lowRes.pdf
Click to access TheLabourPartyManifesto-2010.pdf
Click to access conservative-manifesto-2010.pdf
Click to access libdem_manifesto_2010.pdf
UKIP….. NOTHING!
P.S. The plural of “manifeso” is “manifestos”, not “manifesto’s”.
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…and what is your “sound evidence” for your opinions about sexuality? Most people who have real evidence about something are not afraid to say what it it… so why are you afraid?
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I’m afraid of many things but voicing my opinion is not one of them, I have no desire to continue with a subject close to your heart and what you are probably getting off on so again goodbye.
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No, your problem is with justifying your bigoted opinions. Your latest is “sick fantasies belong with your sexuality not mine!”.
If somebody is afraid to justify their opinions then their opinions are worthless. Clearly yours are worthless…
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Neither do I.
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You are not just a liar, you are a raving, ranting nutcase!
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Erm it’s 2014, look at the dates of those manifestos that were released for the last election and in the case of the snp for the referendum. Don’t you thin they will change for the next election, although admittedly the tories and lib deems could use the same ones again as they haven’t bothered to stick to them whatsoever.
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Errrrm, yes. Before an election is when parties usually publish their manifestos. Therefore those ARE their current manifestos. I hope even you can see that UKIP doesn’t have one. You seem to have forgotten the point – which is that UKIP currently doesn’t have ANY written policies at all (anti-gay or not) because they admitted that their 2010 manifesto was total drivel, and have now deleted it.
P.S. You STILL haven’t told me what I was wrong about!
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You mean that the manifesto not being used by the tories that was for the last election is the same as they will use for the next election, whilst I agree as they didn’t stick to it at all they could regurgitate it, they have not as yet published a manifesto for the next election, neither have the libdums labour or the snp, and your links show that clearly. You should first think before post.
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No, I said nothing of the kind. Those (with the exception of UKIP) are their CURRENT manifestos. Are you really unable to understand that very simple concept? I would expect a 12 year old to manage it very easily.
P.S. You STILL haven’t told me what I was wrong about.
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You have publicly admitted to lying, so you are a liar. I have not lied, and calling me a liar does not make it so.
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If you claim to have evidence of something and then can’t produce it, then you are either a fool or a liar, or both.
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I said “I am a union member… are you?” and you replied “Student union, yes.” That was a LIE, as you have since admitted!
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You posted the manifestos from the last election and said they are current, they will not be the manifestos for the next election so you are completely wrong, as usual, because the manifesto’s for the next election haven’t been published, in fact although it is no longer available and out of publication the last ukip manifesto was in 2013 three years after the conlablinbdum party, and 2 after the snp manifesto.
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It appears that you don’t know what the word “current” means. Would it help you to understand if I said “not yet superseded” instead?
Here’s another clue for you – ask yourself why the UKIP manifesto “is no longer available and out of publication” and ALL the others still ARE available? Do you think perhaps the answer might have something to do with what I’ve been saying all along?
… and once again, the plural of manifesto is manifestos, not manifesto’s. Whatever else, you have a problem with learning.
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Do you really think bisexual people cannot be loyal?
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You said in earlier posts “I am an engineer”, now you are saying you did not say that which is a lie.
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I think you will find that 2010 is not current, you are clearly a troll who just likes to try and make himself look clever, the ukip manifesto is like every other current manifesto being written and re written till it it of a standard to be released, as ever you lower your tone to that of a spiteful little child. You will find the tory manifesto was removed when the Support Stafford hospital group asked to see it in full as we were sure that the liar camoron had broken more than one part of what he stated he would do.
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Apparently you don’t understand what “not yet superseded” means either.
I’ll try again… Do you understand why the UKIP manifesto “is no longer available and out of publication” and ALL the others still ARE available?
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You live in some bizarre fantasy land! I’m not an engineer, and I NEVER said that I was. What is this weird fear you have about people being engineers? It’s a very simple matter to prove me wrong, so why don’t you do so?
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Well maybe you think that the 1960’s manifestos are current as well, clearly you do not understand that a four year old manifesto that has been ignored is not current, the manifesto that the conlablibdum party will use at the next election has not been published the 2010 ones are pointless now. Unless of course you have a tardis so you can go back in time to vote on them.
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No, 1960s (not 1960’s) manifestos have been superseded. Do you not understand what “superseded” means either?
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I do but apparently you don’t, which is why you think that the manifesto’s used before the last election are the ones that will be used next time, which is why I used the 60’s analogy to query if you thought that every manifesto can be regarded as current because it appears you clearly do not realise they have a built in use by date. The manifestos for the conlablibdum party have not as yet been published period wy don’t you go and play with the trains at Crewe instead of trolling here with your very limited capacity to produce anything in the way of a cogent argument.
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You STILL don’t understand!!!! A manifesto is current until it is abandoned, or superseded by a new one – just like a train timetable. Do you know what a train is? Maybe you know it better as a “choo choo”.
Apparently UKIP currently have no trains running at all!
Yes – manifestos have a ‘use by’ date, and that date is when it is withdrawn from publication or a new one is published. Are you REALLY too stupid to understand that very simple concept?
P.S. The plural of manifesto is STILL manifestos, not manifesto’s!
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Bazzer – You are plainly wrong, so just give up! If you ask ANY MP if they stand by the currently published manifesto on their web site then they will say “Yes” without hesitation. NONE of them (except UKIP perhaps?) will say that it’s past its ‘use by’ date.
Most of what’s written in party manifestos is complete cr@p of course (whether it was written yesterday or 4 years ago) but that’s not the point.
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Give it up you wanted the UKIP manifesto, which will be for the next election not the ones that were for the 2010 election which as we all know have been ignored, if you think that the conlablibdum party will use them again you are demented.
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I’ll try again… Do you have an explanation for why the UKIP manifesto “is no longer available and out of publication” and ALL the others still ARE being published? I have a valid explanation and you don’t. That means I’m right and you’re wrong… Q.E.D.!
…and I never said I wanted the UKIP manifesto. I just pointed out that they currently don’t have any defined policies (i.e. a manifesto) and you disagreed with me. You were, and still are, simply, obviously and foolishly wrong.
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Keep trying you mary accidentally come up with something that is correct.
The UKIP manifesto was published then withdrawn to make alterations, no other party has published its manifesto for the next election, that is what you asked for and you have only been able to produce the manifesto’s aka lies that were published by three parties last time and the SNP manifesto published for the referendum, your explanation holds no credence whatsoever.
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The 2010 UKIP manifesto was “withdrawn to make alterations”. Are you kidding? Even their OWN LEADER called it drivel!
What do you mean “no other party has published its manifesto for the next election”? UKIP hasn’t published one either you moron!
I’ll ask you again – Why have NONE of the other manifestos been withdrawn? Is the obvious answer to that STILL not managing to penetrate into your addled little brain?
The reason for your answers seems quite obvious now. You are a staunch UKIP supporter, and like all of them you’re an idiot, and probably much worse. If you are a UKIP supporter then say so publicly and we can examine YOUR principles… but I bet you’re afraid to.
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P.S. The plural of manifesto is STILL manifestos, not manifesto’s!!!!
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I think you will find that no other party has published its manifesto for the next election means no other party has published its manifesto for the next election, its simple to understand really.
the manifesto that UKIP actually posted post 2010 was withdrawn to make alterations, garage did indeed deem it drivel, I doubt such honesty would come from you favoured parties.
As no other manifesto has been published since 2010 other than the SNP one for the referendum, how could they be withdrawn, you can’t withdraw something that doesn’t exist.
What principles does someone who calls posters names like moron, a word meaning someone with little intellectual ability, have I wonder.?
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Spot the difference (N.B. only morons will have a problem with this):
1) “No other party has published its manifesto for the next election”
2) “No party has published its manifesto for the next election”
Clue – Option 1) means that some party HAS published its manifesto for the next election… You said it, so perhaps you would like to tell us which party did, and when?
So, are you a UKIP supporter or not? You still seem to be afraid to answer…
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Well:-
a, you haven’t asked whether I am a UKIP supporter so I have nothing to answer
b, I have state that SNP has published its manifesto for the Referendum
c, why do you have such a problem understanding simple facts.
I am a UKIP supporter, and am in favour of leaving the eussr, and stopping HS2 and protecting the nhs from privatisation, just three of the policies that will be part of the manifesto when it gets released. Do you have any idea what the three old fashioned parties will have in their manifestos which won’t be released until after their party conferences, other than the brain dead we are pro eussr garbage from the lib dems which is a given?
No! thought not.
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Now we’re getting somewhere… though it took long enough! Why were you so reluctant to say that you’re a UKIP supporter. Are you ashamed of it? As a UKIP supporter, I’m interested in your views:
Do you agree with Nigel Farage that hand guns should be legalised and licensed?
Do you think preference for council housing should be given to people born in the UK over those born outside the UK?
Do you think homosexual relationships are normal?
Do you oppose creation of wind or tidal power generation sources?
What do you think “eussr” means?
To answer your question – I feel quite sure that the three “old fashioned” parties (as you call them) will not change their current manifestos very much at all. I may be wrong, but time will tell.
I answered your question, which you thought I would not, so let’s see whether you will answer mine…
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In case you’re frightened about answering, I’ll give you my answers first… NO, NO, YES, NO, DON’T KNOW.
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I am against gun ownership period.
I believe that public housing should be preferential for people from this country
Yes
No
It is the socialist dominated democratically deficient non nation governed by a bunch of unelected failed politicians in brussells.
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If you get your wish of a UKIP government, then you’re going to get a lot of things you don’t want! If about the only thing you DO want is to get out of the EU, then you should probably vote Tory and (theroretically) you will get a referendum on it.
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P.S. You said “you haven’t asked whether I am a UKIP supporter so I have nothing to answer”. So in your mind does “are you a UKIP supporter or not?” not count as a question? It looks quite a lot like one to me… it’s got a question mark and everything!
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P.P.S. When you say “the socialist dominated democratically deficient non nation governed by a bunch of UNELECTED failed politicians in brussells”, are you including the 9 elected UKIP MEPs from that description? If so, can you spot your crucial and very obvious mistake?
P.P.P.S. It’s called “Brussels”, not “brussells”.
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By the way, what do you think of a party leader who didn’t even read his own party’s manifesto? Do you think he would make a good Prime Minister? I bet you don’t answer that question…
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I couldn’t care less who you support, it is irrelevant to me.
Anyone who agrees with everything their party is doing is a braindead sheep
Voting tory is a sure way of staying in the eussr
The parliament has no real power, it resides in the unelected commission.
Well he did read it, and rejected it after reading it because he didn’t like what was there, to me the ability to take decisions, rather than faff about is the sign of a good leader/manager.
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You don’t think perhaps Farage should have read it BEFORE writing the foreword and agreeing to publish it? If that’s what you think “a good leader/manager” should do, then you are clearly the moron that I now know you are!
Of course almost nobody agrees with everything ‘their party’ is doing, but agreeing with just ONE thing and disagreeing with EVERYTHING else doesn’t seem very rational to me. Do you consider yourself to be a rational person?
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P.S. Apparently I was right that you don’t want to answer the question “Do you think he would make a good Prime Minister?”
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Ah personal abuse the last gasp of a person with no cogent argument, I have no idea if he would make a good Prime minister, no one really knows what the outcome will be until they see them in action, we have seen many examples of a good opposition leader not making a good prime minister. I do know that camoron is a total failure in the job, I doubt clegg could cope, and I have always considered labour to have chosen the wrong milliband, but until we see how they manage we can only guess.
I don’t disagree with everything you chose 5 areas and I responded to them. I have had huge rows with Americans over gun laws being to lax in America and I am not going to change my view on that just because it would be the easy thing to do. I have my own views and stick to them, so far no single party has been perfect for me.
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I may use cogent arguments AND personal criticism, whichever seems appropriate to the person! I respect anyone who has opinions and can justify them, no matter what those opinions are.
You say you don’t disagree with everything. Other than leaving the EU, can you think of any policy the UKIP leadership has proposed which you DO agree with? If you can come up with three other published policies which you are willing to justify then I will apologise and stop taking the p*ss for supporting UKIP.
If Labour had chosen the other Milliband, would you be supporting Labour now?
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As you consider personal abuse to be an argument in your favour and have offered no docent arguments to support your uninformed rantings i think it is a waste of time continuing answering anything you say, maybe if you learned to think first before posting you would not show yourself in such a poor light. No I wouldn’t vote for labour, despite the extremely good performances by Andy Burnham in the health field.
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No, I didn’t say I consider personal abuse to be an argument. I said I may use cogent arguments AND personal criticism. Perhaps you should occasionally try to read what people ACTUALLY say.
You are apparently unable to think of three other published UKIP policies which you are willing to justify, so I will probably continue to take the p*ss out of your inability to justify your opinions.
How about just two UKIP policies… can you manage that?
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P.S. Andy Burnham didn’t do much to help the health of the 100,000+ Iraqis who died in the war which HE started, and the countless more who were maimed and traumatised.
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How about just one other UKIP policy? Surely you can manage that!
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