(not satire – it’s the Lib Dems!)
Yesterday the supposedly cuddly Lib Dems were almost as gung-ho about going to war with Syria as their coalition partners the Tories.
46 out of 55 Lib Dem MPs supported the government motion. I make that around 84% of Lib Dem MPs voted in support of military action.
274 out of 304 Tory MPs supported the government motion. That’s around 90% if my calculations are right.
Which means the Lib Dems were just as supportive of Cameron’s motion as the Tories.
Final proof – if any more were needed – that the Lib Dems have finally become ‘Tory-lite’.
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As usual Tom your numbers are wrong. You have subtracted the numbers of rebels from the total number of MPs, forgetting that a significant no of MPs didn’t vote. For the Liberals it was 60% of MPs in favour, a significant proportion but hardly gung ho.
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ok what are the right numbers then
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I think 60% is gung ho enough but 46 out of 55 is more than 60% , 9 voted against so who abstained there are only 55 Lib Dems so it is you clive who have got you figures wrong. But the fact is, what ever the figures the Liberals support the doctrine of humanatarian intervention (it was invented by American Liberals) which is actually more dishonest than the Torry National Interest(by which they mean the Capitalist class of course) becuase humanatarian intervention is a ruse to cover the fact that every war that has been supported by Liberals was fought for the interests of the capitalist class. The best example was of course the First World war which was the full responsibility of the Liberals as it was started when they were in Goverment with a maj of their own. The vietnam war the Kosava war and the Iraq war were all the work of Liberals also(Blair is a Liberal in the same sense as Clinton or Clegg or the disgusting Lord Ashdown
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My figures aren’t wrong 31 Liberals voted in favour , roughly 60%. Interventions aren’t part of a giant conspiracy, but should be judged on a case by case basis by whether they succeed in improving the situation. Usually they don’t , in Kosovo it did. Also I’m amazed you bracket the Vietnam war with Kosovo and Iraq. Vietnam was a product of the Cold War and nothing to do with humanitarian/liberal intervention. Kosovo was humanitarian intervention and succeeded, Iraq was instigated by right wing Neo Cons and opposed by UK LIBERAL party and failed.
Ed Mcarthur seems to be a typical conspiracy theorist changing history known to suit his pre conceived ideas.
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kosovo succeeded in killing a lot of innocent serbs poisoning the land with radiation helping islmaic fundamentalists
but very little else.
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the libdems only opposed the iraq war because they thought there was votes in it.
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Not voting at all on a vote about war is just as bad if not worse than voting for war IMO
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The West didn’t use depleted uranium weapons in Kosovo only conventional bombs. Obviously Serbs were killed but the end result was to bring the war to halt and stopped the slaughter conducted by the Serbs all of which is well documented.
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Muggy seems to inhabit a fantasy world.
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read the the coverage depleted uranium was used along with cluster bombs and is also very documented.
the murder of serbs by the the kla is not so well document nor is the klas links the drug trade and osma binladen.
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theirs plenty of document evidence to prove the fact ive mentioned ill gone and find it in a minute so you the news report about the poisoning of the danube at the time
the west hasnt denied using cluster bombs it was mentioned at the time depleted uranium is was not denied ether.
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http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CD0QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fassembly.coe.int%2FASP%2FDoc%2FXrefViewHTML.asp%3FFileID%3D9143%26Language%3Den&ei=BvshUpSbDYujhgfw_4CwDw&usg=AFQjCNF2_dmmlvVdRSlTJh62fI-9OsmDjQ&bvm=bv.51495398,d.ZG4&cad=rja
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heres more.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.balkanpeace.org%2Findex.php%3Findex%3D%2Fcontent%2Fanalysis%2Fa09.incl&ei=dvwhUrOoIIyEhQeqh4CwDQ&usg=AFQjCNF9G_QKOBU8e4dHmEbY8m6SLUWRMw&bvm=bv.51495398,d.ZG4&cad=rja
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have a look at this.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stopclustermunitions.org%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F07%2Fcluster-munitions-in-kosovo-lma.pdf&ei=UP0hUsXDJYK7hAfxwoDYAg&usg=AFQjCNFxyNoLStnU9IUzhhWyLEJHeEKRfw&bvm=bv.51495398,d.ZG4&cad=rja
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so i live in a fantasy world do i clive.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.de%2Furanium-risks-haunt-kosovo-survivors%2Fa-16366645-0&ei=ff8hUpy1JsyThgfo6oHYCw&usg=AFQjCNEtbKoHK9xNvqQ5S0tMgZIcTReC9A&bvm=bv.51495398,d.ZG4
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Fantasy with respect to your views on Libdems only opposing the Iraq war for votes. However, you are right on depleted uranium use by NATO and its after effects.
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Why doesn’t this site list posts in time order?
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i AGREE with Tom in the contex of thursday vote note voteing was gthe same as a VOTE FOR WAR just as the Labour MPs who abstained on the Law to make illegal santioning of Jobseekers legal effectively voted for the Bill
The only point I would make however is that since the No vote included Labour MPs who supported Ed Milibands lets jump through a couple of extra hoops before we rush into this amendment, so while I welcome the result I dont regard Ed or the PLP with the ovious exceptions as anti war. Tom is right the Lib Dems are Tory Lite (but 30 out of 205 Tory MPs vote No) but not just on this issue. ATOS, Workfare,anti Union and reduction of worker rights & H&S have all received their support and give lie to them justifying the coaliation by claiming to restrain the Cons.(could a minority gov have done all this except with their support from opposition benches?). When in opposition the Lib Dems
took some good positions against ne0 millionw Labour, they have shown that was a sham, but it was a sham that tricked unhappy Labour voters into supporting them. The Lib Dems are not to be trusted they are the most cynical unprincipled political party on the planet. Next year they(as the successors to the Liberals who plunged the country into the carnage of World War One will join the conservertives in celebrating (it will cost 50 million over four years) that war and in the out pouring of Jingoism and misinformation as they attempt to justify the most unjustified war in History. In so far as “left” and “right” have any meaning at all Liberlism is a political creed planted firmly on the right, not the centre left the RIGHT
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The Liberal Party opposed the Iraq war until it started then the supported “our Boys” as if you can distinguish morally between the politicians and the soldiers. soldiers are also moral agents if the war was unjustified they were war criminal for fighting it they had the option to refuse but most of them just LOVE war as do most Liberals. You seem to think there is a difference between being killed by Liberal Bombs or Conservertive Bombs, Serbian Children who were slaughtered by NATO would not agree with you
Kosava was no different to Vietnam humanatarian intervention is a doctrine invented by American Liberals a s ruse to get support for Anglo American imperialism , it was a success? Kosava today is ruled by gangsters under the watchful eye of NATO, the UN and the EU , is that wghat you call success?
The constitution of Germany was subverted so that the German Air Force could Bomb civillans in Belgrade is that what you call success?nd Why do you not call
I bracket ALL intervention with ALL intervention it is only undertaken for vested interests, Why Kosova? Do you Know or care what China did to Tibet? and if the Liberals opposed the Iraq war why have you not called for Blair and Bush to be put on Trial?
The fact is that Liberdsals are Just Like Conservertives but the latter are more honest about being bastards
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