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(not satire – it’s the UK today!)
We already know the answer to this one, don’t we?
Why did the Home Office decide to tweet about the arrest of 139 immigrants yesterday when around 5,000 other people are arrested every day in the UK?
According to civil service guidelines, the Home Office isn’t allowed to publicly comment on anything which may be construed as party political and must not “act in a way that is determined by party political considerations, or use official resources for party political purposes”.
With Tory campaign ‘guru’ Lynton Crosby making immigration one of the corner stones of the Tories’ re-election campaign, couldn’t Home Office civil servants tweeting about the arrest of 139 immigrants – while not mentioning anything at all about the other approximately 5,000 people who are arrested every day in the UK – be construed as using official resources for party political purposes?
Answers on a postcard please – or even better a tweet – to @ukhomeoffice
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nearlydead said:
Reblogged this on nearlydead.
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Vincent Turner said:
It’s got that slight nostalgic 1930’s Germany feel to it.
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dee said:
like everything this government does soundbite city…..
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Ray Kempson said:
1930’s Nazi Germany definitely springs to mind. Tory’s have a long historical record of really being sympathetic to both the Nazi’s policies of ‘Racism’ & ‘Fascism’
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Juli said:
“The new Immigration Bill will reduce the pull factors to this country” https://www.gov.uk/government/news/immigration-offenders-arrested-in-home-office-raids ~ “Pull factors” – Seems to lean dangerously towards “construed as party political and must not “act in a way that is determined by party political considerations, or use official resources for party political purposes”
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bobchewie said:
GO HOME OR YOU WILL BE ARRESTED…thats the latest wheeze..
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nedhamson said:
Reblogged this on Ned Hamson Second Line View of the News and commented:
Same reason a peacock fans his tail – to see if anyone would notice how wonderful and powerful they are (not).
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bobchewie said:
a sponge could have more fun if it was made of concrete
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Aynuck said:
The Tories supposed toughening up on immigration is nothing more that window dressing in response to the growing support for UKIP because neither Labour, Tory or Lib Dems will address the legitimate concerns of the majority of voters about uncontrolled mass immigration and cannot be trusted on this and other issues.
There’s no point in arresting 139 suspected ILLEGAL immigrants at railway stations when thousands more are pouring through our ports and airports.
I’d have thought that everyone would be pleased that a further 139 criminal suspects have been arrested or do the left support and encourage criminality?
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bobchewie said:
According to the indie border controls have been targtetting ethnic minorities..
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judithhaire said:
The answer is 42.
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judithhaire said:
Reblogged this on Far be it from me –.
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bobchewie said:
@judithhaire 42 is so passe….its now 93 3/4
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Aynuck said:
Or maybe criminals who happen to belong to ethic minorities. There’s no sense in trying to catch English illegal immigrants, it would be even more of a waste of time than this electoral stunt.
It’ll soon be illegal to be English anyway if the anti English left have their way
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bobchewie said:
i dont know who are the ‘English’ anyway we are all mongrels one way or another…
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bobchewie said:
whats next border controls targetting anyone who doesnt know the words to the national anthem?
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frosty72 said:
Why dont they hit the West End bars and target the illegal Austrailian and Kiwi bartenders? That wouldn’t give the Daily Mail readers their fix.
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Astral Spirit said:
This is nothing to do with being party political, it is something that needs to be done common sensely, which is why any party would do what they know needs to be done.
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Aynuck said:
@bobchewie
‘i dont know who are the ‘English’ anyway we are all mongrels one way or another…’
The English are the indigenous population of England who are currently being ethnically cleansed and now turned into a mongrel race courtesy of Labours open door policies involving unrestricted mass immigration and the ConDem unwillingness to do anything about it.
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Aynuck said:
What border controls?
Even if we had effective border controls, which we don’t, the only ones who would need to worry are those who commited a criminal act by entering this country illegally
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justin thyme said:
what does an illegal immigrant look like?
the behaviour by the Home Office, the civil servants and this present government, including the boyish Mark Harper MP ( who’s true colours are emerging now) are both rascist and fascist
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mtvpaul said:
The other aspect of this that deeply concerns me, is that the home office refer to those they have arrested as “immigrants” – not “suspected immigrants”.
The Home Office, along with the media, has a duty to not imply guilt upon those that have been accused until after a conviction. Doing so may influence magistrates, or indeed juries, and is (or should be) considered contempt of court – a criminal charge!
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Aynuck said:
The Gov.UK website stated that Home Office enforcement teams arrested ‘ 139 immigration offenders after nationwide operations targeting illegal working and immigration abuse’. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/immigration-offenders-arrested-in-home-office-raids
There’s a difference between being interviewed and released and being arrested and found to be here illegally, the 139 have no right to be in this country and are therefore guilty of immigration offences.
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mtvpaul said:
To my knowledge, none of the 139 have been found to be here illegally by a magistrate or jury, and are therefore still innocent.
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Aynuck said:
I can never understand why the removal of those who have no legitimate right to be in Britain and have committed a criminal act by entering illegally is seen by the left as ‘racist and fascist’.
Uncontrolled mass immigration and bogus asylum are at or near to the top of voters concerns, and yet we still have people banging on about fascism and racism when steps are taken to address these issues even though these steps are electoral stunts which do nothing to safeguard our borders.
No wonder many ordinary people are turning to UKIP.
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Aynuck said:
No they are not innocent, they do not have visas to live or work here and many have forged documents which is why they were arested. The sooner they are gone the better, and hopefully the tens of thousands like them will soon be on their way out of this country as well.
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mtvpaul said:
The deportation of illegal immigrants is neither racist nor fascist.
But what the Home Office have been doing, is stopping and questioning people about their immigration status based on the colour of their skin. That is racist.
This was then taken a step further, by boasting about these arrests on Twitter, presumably in a bid to secure the UKIP vote. I’ll say it again – none of these people have been found guilty of any charges relating to their immigration status – they are therefore innocent, until proven guilty.
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mtvpaul said:
If I was stopped in the street today, I wouldn’t have anything on me that proves I am a British citizen! That doesn’t mean I am an illegal immigrant.
The 139 were arrested because they couldn’t prove their citizenship (as I wouldn’t be able to on the spot), but that doesn’t make them, or me, guilty.
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jed goodright said:
the reason people are turning to UKIP is because they are stupid – UKIP offers nothing to the nation but plenty of succour to those who don’t like the colour of other people’s skin!!
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jed goodright said:
why don’t you go away and get the evidence – present it to us all here – and then to a court of law – and we will see what the outcome us – until then kindly stop being prevocative or a troll or maybe you are Lynton Crosby or Mark Harper ….???????
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Aynuck said:
Because I fundamentally disagree with you and am not intimidated by the usual cries of ‘racist nazi’ doesn’t make me a troll or provocative.
It may come as a surprise to many on the left of the political spectrum, but the levels of uncontrolled and unrestricted mass immigration into this country under Labour and now the Con Dems is a growing concern amongst ordinary voters of all political persuasions.
Like it or not, the fact is that 139 immigration offenders were arrested, and presumably checks have been made at the addresses of those arrested and they have been found to have committed immigration offences.
I don’t need to prove anything, look it up.
I would much rather the Home Office concentrate on safeguarding our borders than carrying out publicity stunts at tube stations but a criminal is a criminal and I fail to see why anyone would defend those here illegally or condone their criminality.
Further uncontrolled mass immigration whether legal or illegal is unsustainable and has to stop, skin colour has nothing to do with it.
We do not have the infrastructure to deal with the current increased population, unemployment is at an all time high and our education system, the NHS and the supply of housing are clearly overstretched.
Nobody knows how many are migrants here right now, that’s a good enough reason for voters to turn to UKIP.
The lefts usual tendency to call everybody who doesn’t agree with them ‘nazis’ or ‘fascists’ instead of adding constructive comments to the long overdue debate now being demanded by the electorate will ensure that there will be no overall majority for any political party after the next general election, Labour certainly can’t be trusted on immigration, thats for sure, and they will fail to capitalise on the Tories unfairness toward the working class.
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mtvpaul said:
I haven’t called you racist or a nazi.
What is frustrating is that you seem unable to grasp the concept that being arrested is not equal to being guilty, regardless of whether we were talking about immigration or murder.
139 people have been arrested as they failed to prove, on the spot, that they are British citizens. That is ALL either of us know. 139 of them may be illegal immigrants, maybe a dozen of them, maybe none. My point, however, which you seem to be struggling to grasp, is that all 139 of them COULD be innocent British citizens who happened not to be carrying their birth certificates on them at the time. 139 were arrested, but that doesn’t mean 139 are illegal immigrants.
The other issue, is that all 139 of them were stopped and questioned because of their appearance, rather than because of any evidence.
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Joan said:
The government don’t want to stop immigration. It provides all their friends in business a cheap workforce while keeping the British workers on low pay in fear of losing their jobs.
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Aynuck said:
@mtvpaul
I know that you haven’t called me names yet, my earlier reply was partly directed at someone else who seems to think that I’m a troll and who wants me to ‘stop being provocative’ whilst bandying about those well worn phrases.
I am aware that a person is innocent until proven guilty, and stand corrected because Gov Uk have amended their earlier statement and are now saying that ‘So far today enforcement officers have arrested 139 SUSPECTED immigration offenders’ rather than their previous statement which made no mention of those arrested being suspects.
If those arrested are in this country legitimately they have nothing to worry about then, or is anyone suspected of committing a criminal offence immune from arrest?
If a murder was committed and there were ten suspects I’d expect the police to arrest the suspects and question them, and the same thing applies to the UKBA. They have reason to believe that 139 suspects may have committed a criminal act by crossing our borders illegally so they have every right to arrest the suspects to find out the truth one way or the other.
As I stated earlier, I’d much rather UKBA personnel secured our borders and prevented anyone from entering illegally, these tube station arrests are a stunt because the Tories are running scared of UKIP and the wrath of those of us who have had more than enough of unrestricted mass immigration, albeit started by Blair and Brown the betrayers of the British working class.
As a young man who once had long hair I was stopped by police and questioned more than once, more likely than not because of my appearance.
I hadn’t committed any crimes so it was a non issue as far as I was concerned, and not uncommon at that time.
UKBA have every right to question suspected illegal immigrants and if appearance is a factor in raising their suspicions then so be it.
If I was driving my car and had no i.d. whatsoever, and the police carried out a spot check they would question me. If I had no proof of who I am they would arrest me pending their discovery of my identity, so what’s so special about those who appear to be from ethnic minorities?
Are they exempt from laws which apply to everybody else, and if so why?
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justin thyme said:
What is alarming is that the labour MP who has voiced concern about the behaviour of the home Office appears to have been hung out to dry by the labour leadership. Miliband has not commented on this at all. Labour it seems are to ready to support the coalition in practically everything they do – acceptable or otherwise. labour blogs have removed comments about this, presumably in a show of strength with the government. It is truly shameful. There is no constitutional opposition.
If Aynuck is an example of the ‘ordinary persons’ acceptance of this behaviour then I thnik this country is in a worse state than I already imagine. This behaviour is not isolated – look at the background of ‘auserity’ and criminalisation of the poor, the unemployed and disabled
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Aynuck said:
The manner in which I’ve voiced my acceptance of the arrest of 139 suspected immigration offenders is as nothing compared to the overwhelming deep seated antipathy amongst most if not all of the British working class, many of who have voted Labour in the past, toward immigration and illegal immigration in particular.
Labour under Milliband are desperately trying to reposition themselves over the immigration issue which has the potential to decide the outcome of the next general election.
The left seem unable or unwilling to grasp the depth of feeling on mass immigration, and all debate had been shut down by the left who instead of advancing their side of the argument in a rational and honest way have preferred to use the mob to howl down all who disagree with them.
No one in the real world takes any notice of the left now and the taunts of ‘racist nazi fascist scum’ no longer have any effect.
After Blair and Brown changed the fabric of this country by uncontrolled mass immigration Labour can no longer be trusted, and this is why Milliband is petrified of opposing the recent arrest of suspected criminals, however distasteful.
Points scoring aside, can the left not understand the frustration of voters who have been ignored for years by all mainstream political parties?
If I’m honest I don’t think that the rounding up of a few suspected illegal immigrants at bus stops or railway stations does anybody any good, it’s just an electoral stunt, but there has never been any mandate for uncontrolled mass immigration from the electorate.
The issue which dare not speak it’s name has barely been mentioned in the media or by politicians for the past 20 years and a long overdue national debate on immigration, it’s effects on our economy and standard of living and the detrimental effect that it is now having on social cohesion in some areas is being demanded by ordinary people who are sick of the way that they have been ignored and branded as racist for daring to express concern.
The left, instead of wishing that people like me would shut up and go away because we are ‘provocative trolls’ on internet sites need to engage in rational honest debate otherwise they will simply lose the argument by default as Britain lurches to the right.
One thing is certain, uncontrolled mass immigration and non existent border controls will no longer be passively accepted by the majority of voters, things have got to change.
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Becky L Edwards said:
Just blogged on this topic myself: http://beckyledwards.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/immigrationoffence/ Please feel free to read and leave me your comments.
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