(not satire – it’s the Sally Army!)
The Salvation Army has been heavily criticised for using unemployed people who have been forced – under the threat of having their benefits taken away from them – to work against their will for them for free as part of the government’s Workfare scheme.
And what is the Salvation Army’s defence?
Workfare doesn’t exist.
Here’s a screenshot from their Facebook page:
Well – pretending workfare doesn’t exist is one way to avoid people criticising your use of it I suppose.
Whatever next?
Government ministers claiming poverty and homelessness don’t exist?
Oh …… hang on a minute……
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Here’s a petition demanding the Salvation Army withdraws from the workfare scheme:
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Never a truer word…
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The Sally army use their own ways to help people back unto employment. Maybe you should google William Booth or the SA and then you may realise that he was doing more for Victorian Britain and its poor long before your beloved Labour party was even thought of. His methods were then and still are used in over 135 countries around globe.
Look at facts first.
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A spokesman for The Minister For Overseas Funding, Aid And Development commented: “Yes, that is factually correct. Homelessness and poverty do not exist in the UK. They are only found in some subnormal saharan countries such as Namibia, NoMansLand and NotOnOurRadar… These words are also exempt from the entire jargon lexicon of The Conservative Party of Great Britain…”
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We don’t have a problem with The Sally Army using their own ways to help people back unto employment. Jobseekers face having their benefits stopped “non-compliance” on this government scheme (for upto three years) which increases poverty and homelessness. Should the SA really be participating in such a scheme? Is it moral? The SA won’t see those they hurt, until they turn up at a soup kitchen/ homeless drop-in.
Look at facts first.
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William Booth was a Methodist preacher in the 1880’s (IT’S 2013!) with a wealthy family and support structure. Interesting modern comparison. I know that religious organisations, of which there are many, provide valuable ‘as you come across them’ help. But aren’t government, aren’t effective enough to support or implement policy, and support only those who fall through increasingly copious holes in government systems who meet their criteria, and the overwhelming drive of religious organisations is evangelism. Recruitment.
So lets cut the crap, shall we? Give people real jobs, With pay, no strings attached.
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Tom – well said on your key point, which is that the Salvation Army deny ‘Workfare’ exists. Fact. You have the screenshot.
They are clearly deluded and confused. I have no issue with any charity ‘providing valuable work experience’ as long as that is completely voluntary and does not involve people being forced into an unpaid role that will result in benefit sanctions if they refuse.
I’ve spent the last 10 years in both paid and voluntary roles ‘helping people into or back into employment’. With no coercion and no threats. I myself got back into paid work after a period of serious illness and adult onset disability through choosing appropriate volunteer work that matched my skills and enabled me to move forwards at my own pace and in my chosen direction, with no fear of losing my benefit. I’m a success story of using non-forced voluntary work to get on in life. There are so many volunteer opportunities with local charities everywhere – people should be getting support to go for these, not forced into Workfare. So much more beneficial to volunteer.
I believe workfare is fundamentally flawed – apart from being a breach of human rights, it makes no sense. You cannot force people into carrying out a role that doesn’t suit them or they have no aptitude for – it will invariably lead to failure.
It makes me so angry to read about Salvation Army – they are abusing their position to force people to ‘take up work experience’ with them and then gloat about ‘providing valuable work experience’. Also how can any ‘charity’ registered with the Charities Commission continue to call itself that while having people forced to work there against their will and under threat of being destitute if they don’t??
Oh my blood’s boiling, I need a drink. Ha – I live in Nottingham, birthplace of William Booth. My mother’s family were Methodists but subsequently all ditched ‘the pledge’ and took to drink….Ergo, trying to force people to do anything doesn’t work………
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Nicola – very well said.
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Salvation Army?
Major Barbara – Benard Shaw. Nailed the feks a century ago.
“I’m a millionaire, thats MY religion”
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Very true.
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I’m on the Work Programme. With Salvation Army Employment Plus.
They don’t help.
That’s putting it kindly.
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Just to add, I’m 66 and hardened in my cynicism, but I do sense something moving below the surface of this country, something so explosive that the traditional agencies will be unable to co-opt and control. Least of all the rotton hulk of a ideologically corrupt, hollowed out and braindead Labour party. Flatlining indeed.
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if workfare doesnt exist how come boycott workfare were able to shut them down?
and as for friends they are not very good at that as on their website they have a picture of panellists discussing er workfare aka ‘work for for benefits’ which govt also deny exists despite a govt document called ‘work for benefits’…
anyway on that panel of guests is lord freud..who they are in agreement with on workfare..so he is their ‘best mate’ but thats the thing with friends in high places isnt it? because they can let you down..and thats whats happned because not not after the workfare agreement thing a letter was written to lord freud about the the effect of housing benefit cuts would have on people making them homeless..quite a number of homeless charities wrote to lord freud expressing their concerns ..including one particular charity called the ..salvation army..
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@nicola its more bizarre than that as the govt commisioned a report citing USA canada and australia using workfare..the conclusion was that it had little to no effect on gainful employment..
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“Salvation Army attack left wing agitators for restricting supply of eager souls to be saved…Our slogan is salvation through sanctions! How are the unemployed going to meet Jesus if they are all lazing around down the park with the dialectical ducks? That way leads to Godless godlessness, greater gayness and worse…We say sanction early, sanction often, and sanction hard… for The Lord!!!”
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Now I know where the sign has gone from over the entrance to Auschwitz
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@TOM has chris grayling become a dictator now??
Probation officers face social media gag as outsourcing row rumbles on
he’s banning any criticism to probation services outsourcing..thats posted on social media….
http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=10504&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ChrisSpivey+%28Chris+Spivey%29
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“The move follows the shutdown last week of a popular police blog after officers were also put under pressure for unofficial tweeting. The education secretary, Michael Gove, has also adopted an aggressive response to social media critics of his policies.
Spurr’s teleconference call led to new instructions on the use of social media being issued this week by probation trusts across England and Wales.
The email from Caroline Corby, the chair of the London Probation Trust (LPT), is typical to board members and probation chief officers: “If you associate yourself with London Probation Trust through the publication of details about your role as an employee, or Board member, you must not make or endorse any postings or tweet that may bring LPT, the secretary of state for justice or officials acting on his behalf into disrepute.”
michael gove has tried the same censoring on social media too.
it looks like the govt is trying to silence any criticism of its policies now..
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Here’s Mandatory Work Activity appointment letter from JHP Employability sent to an unemployed man to attend a Salvation Army shop.
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tom is capita running student loans?
http://www.capita-fhe.co.uk/products/pages/financial-management-student-funding.aspx
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Didnt they also force the destitute to worship their god as a condition of help?
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The SA are a truly evil organisation! Years ago, My best friend’s mother had a cousin die on the streets of London (after he went down there from Scotland to find a job) after the SA refused him entry into one of their hostels because he had no money and this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this.
They constantly drone on and on about the apostle Paul’s words (2 Thessalonians 3:10) “If any one won’t work, neither let him eat”, and take this scripture right out of context, because several times he clearly states that a “worker is worthy of his wages” n.b HE WASN’T REFERRING TO FORCED LABOUR!!!!
CAN I MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR…PAUL WAS REFERRING TO IDLENESS, BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID: (1 Timothy 5:18) “The workman is worthy of his wages.” ALSO SEE (Luke 10:7) The worker is worthy of his wages. . .
I realise people reading these comments might not believe in God, however, the SA profess to be servants of God whilst twisting the Bible’s scriptures to their own ends.
I truly believe that they are going to pay for their cruel treatment of people and as for them them being servants’ of God read for yourself
(John 8:44) …YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]
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religion can really screw you up
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…only when the scriptures’ are “screwed” to your own end, I didn’t post my comment to convert any one, just to highlight the HYPOCRISY of the SA!
Lord Irwin asked Gandhi what he thought would solve the problems between Great Britain and India. Gandhi picked up a Bible and opened it to the fifth chapter of Matthew and said: “When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world.”
i.e. The SA – who purport to believe in the bible – are employing workfare, when the scriptures’ clearly state a worker should be paid.
Put it another way, it’s like a doctor that doesn’t believe in what he’s been taught and practises what he wants, would you want that doctor treating you?
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noddy books make more sense than the bible..
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1 sentence answers do not back up your opinion
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ok you want more than one sentence?
i have never understood the point of placing ones hand on a book and swearing to tell the truth in court. a book where what is is written in that book is untrue..
that help?
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Funny how the SA claim that something that they have spent weeks defending does not exist. Will they be denying the existence of God next?
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Well said, Nicola…; “…Calm down dear, it’s only a Workfare scheme…” — Are the Salvation Army members true Methodists?? –The only time I see them is when they bring their band into the Market Square just before Christmas and serendade Christmas shopppers with: “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, Let Nothing You Dismay…”
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“Away, away with rights/dignity/rum, by gum, – that’s the song of the Slavation – oops sorry – Salvation Army!”
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you’re off topic here…the topic is about the SA and their religious hypocrisy i.e. they claim to be Christian and yet they employ slaves, please read the above comments, I could dichotomise the semantics of religion until I was blue in the face, but, it wouldn’t get me anywhere and as I said above I wasn’t trying to convert anyone. I could give you a history lesson of the western world, however, what’s the point?
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Your wrong with your william Booth was wealthy statement, In fact when his father died his family found themselves in poverty. Ok it wasn’t extream but he went to work as a pawn broker from the age of 13 to support his family. That is facts. He set up an oportunity for the poor to be educated and learn skills he also changed the law of consent funny how people forget what the salvation army have fought for over the years. The facts are the salvation army will not turn anyone away and they do NOT brain wash anyone into worship God. The truth will come out and once again Darkest England will be won.
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You are wrong when you state people were turned away, In fact when the boycott workfare protestors broek through the doors at newington causeway they used an old lady to trick themselves through the door. they were met with security staff who are contracted by an external company to protect the premises. The reason being the society we wlive in are full of the devils work. It has nothign to do with god it is just trouble makers trying to use properganda to bring down an organsation that actually is the reason behind why you sit at home on benefits today and why we have job centres. WB fought for social justice and took on the government and many laws and projects were set up because of his fighting. The difference is that The salvation army providing an oportunity in which you can volunteer anyway and numbers of volunteers up and down the country carry out work becuase they want to Not Forced too. I am aware the sa trading company obviously are apart of the scheme hence the letter posted on twitter. Shouldn’t the system be made better so that you benefit more to be in work than sat at home lazing about. The true people who want to work will do anythign to get a job the scheme should target those who are too bone idle to get up and work because it pays to be on benefits. That is the truth behind this whole debate not slavery.
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I will be starting a mandatory work activity placement for four weeks with the Salvation Army on Monday. I will be working 30 hours a week for my £74 a week jobseekers allowance. By my calculation that’s well below the minimum wage. I have no problem with working 12 hours a week, then I would be earning approximately the same as I would working those amount of hours at the minimum wage. However being forced to work over twice that amount of hours, for nothing extra, over the school holidays, when I have a 10 year old son at home, with no guaranteed childcare for some of those days is getting into rather unpleasant territory.
I call it slavery; as I will be working 18 hours out of every 30 hour week for the Salvation Army, for nothing, against my will, with a certainty of being sanctioned and losing my benefit for either 13 weeks, 52 weeks, or over a hundred weeks if I refuse. Trust me, there are NO jobs here in Gloucester for those without a particular skill. I have applied for what little there is and continue to apply. I resent your attitude that I sit at home on benefis out of choice. Get your head out of the sand and look around you. Wake up to what your country is becoming. The Salvation Army is one of the many institutions helping the process along. I now detest the country of my birth and everything it stands for. I am not at all proud to be British.The Salvation Army are a big part of that.
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