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(not satire – it’s UK today)
An audible collective sigh of relief could be heard all over Fleet Street this week as the realisation slowly started to dawn in the tormented minds of professional hacks that they might just have had their overpaid asses saved by a knight in the unlikely form of Lord McAlpine.
As an example of this, a triumphant Grace Dent in the Independent yesterday gushed eloquently about how Twitter is so scared of being sued by Lord McAlpine for mentioning his name that what she calls “a kind of hush” has descended on the internet about the subject.
In her article, Ms Dent attacks “Twitchfork mobs”, “frothy-mouthed freedom-of-speech defenders” and “publish-and-be-damned” bloggers on the internet. A group of people who incidentally have single-handedly been responsible for the demise of mainstream media – an industry which had previously been able to guarantee long-term lucrative employment for the likes of Ms Dent.
A fact which I’m sure has nothing to do with her clear repugnance towards users of social media and bloggers.
It’s not actually terribly surprising that some journalists are enthusiastically joining in the vicious establishment assault on internet users which is happening at the moment – after all they have the most to lose in a world that no longer needs to get its information filtered through this special race of chosen people.
Previously, journalists – like the oracles of classical antiquity – were people considered to be sources of wise counsel – a special race of superhumans who were the portals through which the gods spoke directly to the rest of us mere mortals.
The internet – and social media in particular – have destroyed this cosy arrangement and it seems that some of these soon to be redundant self-appointed oracles like Ms Dent are rubbing their hands at the prospect of the possibility that they might soon be able to return themselves to what they see as their rightful place on their pedestals.
Reining in social media and bloggers is a major step to achieving that aim.
I’m not attacking all professional journalists – some do a very good job indeed – but I’m sure the good ones are not the ones who are going to be under threat from mere amateurs.
So let’s destroy the ‘hush’ that they claim has descended on the internet and social media over the McAlpine affair with a very loud, shrill, uncomfortable fact.
Lord McAlpine has so far received more money in compensation than the majority of the children who were actually raped and abused got.
Most of them got nothing at all because UK courts decided the children’s homes’ insurers were not liable.
That’s a fact which needs repeating.
Lord McAlpine has so far received £185,000 payout from the BBC taxpayers – whereas the child abuse victims either got next to nothing or nothing at all.
But why has this fact not been reported by the mainstream media?
So here’s my challenge to the ‘professional’ reporters in the mainstream media. Prove I’m wrong about this fact or admit I’m right and start damn well reporting on it.
I’ll even give you a clue to give you a head start: Royal and Sun Alliance.
I won’t be holding my breath though.
Because the truth is – the threats and attacks on bloggers and social media have nothing at all to do with Lord McAlpine’s reputation and everything to do with a comfortable elite trying to put normal citizens back in our boxes where they think we belong.
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Richard Carey said:
Well said.
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Liz said:
Lord McAlpine’s views on dealing with the media: “Another option is for the businessperson to learn the art of dealing with the media, using all the tricks that go with that trade – such as the false defeat: when a person seems to lose, in order to gain public sympathy, or the false triumph: where a person seems to win in order to appear strong – thus giving credibility to any number of dubious propositions that person may wish to make in the future. Neither of these ploys are examples of the use of true facts, rather of false facts given to the media to chew on, much as a dog chews on a bone. Another useful ploy is the false accusation. First, create a situation where you are wrongly accused. Then, at a convenient moment, arrange for the false accusation to be shown to be false beyond all doubt. Those who have made accusations against both the company and its management become discredited. Further accusations will then be treated with great suspicion. Always remember that people’s memories are very frail, remembering only both the high spots and the lows of a person’s career, and then seldom remembering accurately. People believe in the facts that it suits them to believe.”
Quote taken from “The New Machiavelli: The Art of Politics in Business” 1999 – you can read this quote yourself in the book by searching for ‘public sympathy’ on this page: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Machiavelli-The-Art-Politics-Business/dp/0471350958/
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misty53 said:
Great piece of writting once again. Must say many people are frightened by his threats, and of those from the establishment who would like to see blogs and other forms of social networking closed down!! why? because they have no control over us!! Thats what the last weeks have been all about, it began met Savile alligations, which very quickly went over to the North Wales abuse and the Jennings inquiry, then it was all about the BBC and Lord McAlpine. This was a very well thought out plan, one to bring fear and also to stop anyone else coming forward with abuse alligations. I for one am out of the box and have no intention of going back in.
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lyndaphillips2 said:
I don’t use the TWATosphere and am certainly not afraid of lord whatsit…xxx
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Harry said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20314104
Steve Meesham: He said police had shown him a picture of his abuser in the early 1990s but incorrectly told him the man was Lord McAlpine.
Is anybody looking for the guy in the photo? And just how did the police make such a grievous error?
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dewilennard said:
I doubt if you’ll get sued, as your false bravado suggests you might. You haven’t actually accused anyone of anything.
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misty53 said:
With all respect to Steve, lots of things dont ring quite right. Being a survivor of child molestation nearly 50 years ago I regulary check the net to see if my abuser has done it to anyone else, I cannot understand why Steve has never been on the net looking for his abuser, just to see where he was at? there are so many stories going around Im afraid we have to look for the truth somewhere in the middle. What I also find very strange is why has Lord McAlpine waited untill now, he has been accused many times scallywag magazine comes to mind and also about selling of pornographic photos, all of which are readily to read on the net?? These are questions I would like to be answered. Im not a journalist, but why did the BBC roll over and make such a pay out?? knowing that they DID NOT name him. I hope the real truth will be told very soon.
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nonymoush said:
“Because the truth is – the threats and attacks on bloggers and social media have nothing at all to do with Lord McAlpine’s reputation and everything to do with a comfortable elite trying to put normal citizens back in our boxes where they think we belong.”
Or maybe it is just a massive number of ordinary people who think that you shouldn’t accuse people falsely, and that you should try to fact check things before you write them?
Maybe there is a huge number of ordinary plebs out there who think that its a bad idea to accuse someone of pedophilia if you aren’t sure about it.
Maybe “the truth” is that the non-elites, in general, share a common value called “integrity” that the “conspiracy elites” do not care about.
Maybe the ‘non-elites’, like the millions of social workers and teachers and child protection services all over the planet, who have to live with these conflicts and issues every day of their lives, are not impressed by the ‘internet crusade’ that throws out anything to do with “fact checking” and “verifying” and “corroborating”.
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The Infamous Culex said:
Didn’t he suggest that someone might have committed abuse of child abuse?
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The Infamous Culex said:
Maybe most people couldn’t give a wet fart for Lord McAlpine anyway, even before those foolish and false allegations?
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Red said:
Grace Dent should maybe remember that she’s only an honourary member of the Oxbridge clique that control our media, politics, etc.
But maybe the outsiders allowed into the status quo will defend it the hardest.
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Tom Pride said:
nonymoush – Does your outrage at what happened to Lord McAlpine also extend to a 9-year-old child being buggered by adults? If so, why aren’t you outraged these people didn’t get any compensation for what happened to them?
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nonymoush said:
because under British libel law, one of the strictest in the world, you can be guilty for being part of a ‘jigsaw identification’, even if you dont name someone, you can give enough information for others to put the pieces together.
Since the BBC interviewed Messham, who said McAlpines name presumably to the BBC, and just chopped out ‘McAlpine’, thats their problem. .. . because people who had been following the story since the 1990s would have known about the accusations and the rumors. To a certain group of journalists, the BBC was actually knowingly identifying McAlpine, in a wink wink nod nod kind of way (and ignoring an internal critic who cautioned them not to put out the story).
He said didn’t need to sue Scallywag because they went out of business (you can read about how they went out of business, thanks to their own incompetence and unprofessionalism).
He didn’t sue David Icke… then again people don’t tend to sue conspiracy theorists because it’s not worth the trouble and nobody tends to believe them. The BBC is a different thing because people do tend to believe it. It makes sense to sue them.
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WormsIview said:
£185k + COSTS – and these will be LARGE.
An elderly Lord ‘remembers’
a sympathy winning bbc interview
Ailing Lord Alistair McAlpine(70), – ‘I knew nothing about it’. ??
Oh, did I forget about 1996, when I was going to raise a legal action against ‘Scallywag’ Magazine for the same story. But John Major got in first and his legal action against it and its distributors made the magazine fold. The writers Regan and Wilson had no real assets, so obviously I could only wait until a well-heeled publisher didn’t say it. It was a long wait – But I always knew I could rely on the bbc.
2 big boys done it and ran away – to their graves. (although the other 3 are still around…)
Maggie’s PPS Sir Peter Morrison MP, a fine colleague and my older cousin ‘Jimmy’ McAlpine.
Now that you don’t mention it , Morrison did possibly look a bit like me…..
….but I never knew them ….. well not in the biblical sense….. .etc etc.
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/sir-peter-morrison/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_James_McAlpine
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syzygysue said:
No wonder this man is the ‘victim’. As we know, there were a number of other names from Margaret Thatcher’s government who were in the frame .. Philip Scofield had a list of five… but they have been conveniently forgotten.
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goggzilla said:
What do the following nations al have in common? Burma, China, Egypt, Gabon, Iran, Turkmenistan and UK? All jail bloggers and tweeters.
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syzygysue said:
This seems relevant Tom … there aren’t so many left to receive compensation – the roll of honour listed by MP Paul Flynn on his site recently…a list of respondent witnesses mentioned in the 2002 Enquiry Report…meant to be pulped in a cover-up, once copy survived and wound up at the Independent on Sunday:
R1: Fell to his death from a railway bridge. Former resident of Bryn Alyn Home.
R2: May, 1978, committed suicide aged 16 by taking an overdose of pain killing tablets. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.
R3: March 1985, was found dead in a flat in which he was living in poverty, aged 21. Former resident of Little Acton Assessment centre.
R4: April 1992, died in a fire aged 32 in premises in which he lived in Sussex. The inquest verdict – unlawful killing. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.
R5: June 1992, found dead aged 18 in a bed-sitter. Cause of death, acute respiratory failure due to solvent abuse. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.
R6: January, 1994, committed suicide by hanging, aged 27.
R7: April, 1994, died aged 27 from alcohol abuse. Allegations that he had been the subject of a serious sexual offence. Former Bryn Estyn resident.
R8: July 1994, found dead in a car, aged 18. Former foster child in Clwyd where he allegedly suffered from maltreatment.
R9: November, 1994, committed suicide aged 16 by hanging.
R10: February, 1995, died from and apparent heroin overdose aged 37. Former resident of Bryn Alyn where it was alleged he had been sexually abused.
R11: February, 1995, hanged himself aged 31. Allegations of sexual abuse against care workers.
R12: May, 1995, found hanging aged 27. Allegations that he had been sexually abused by a senior care worker. Former resident of Bryn Estyn.
So unbelievably tragic.
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/sir-peter-morrison/
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Bill Kruse said:
Er, “the ‘internet crusade’ that throws out anything to do with “fact checking” and “verifying” and “corroborating”., you what now? How many papers simply uncritically repeat the misdirections, mistruths etc that the Tory press machine churns out? Apparently all of them bar the Guardian occasionally and the Morning Star routinely in its tiny corner. Instead, where do we learn the truth from? My goodness, it’s the internet, where sites like Fullfact offer properly researched evidence illustrating how we’re misled by the likes of Grayling, Miller, IDS et al.
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Freyda said:
He did not say he would sue anyone who defamed him as such, but anyone who mentioned his name in connection with this programme. So if someone said that a journalist had already given Lord McAlpine’s name prior to the Newsnight programme being shown, and linked it to something that identified him not as an abuser but someone who was going to sue Newsnight, you are going to be sued? If his name was public knowledge, not because tweeters had put read scurrilous rumours, but because an Al Jazeera journalist named him already, it seems unfair if a multimillionaire threatens you with a ‘pay up within 48 hours or we will ruin you’ notice. What is the going rate anyway? How much are they asking, and for what exactly?
The lawyers are acting as judge, jury and executioner and ordinary people will not be able to challenge as it would ruin them. This may be causing terrible worry and anxiety for people who may have done nothing wrong. The lawyers really should be issuing cease and desist notices first, and then if anyone carries on sue them. That would be fair enough. Asking people to apologise could just be taken as an admission of guilt. If they had asked people to say they were sorry without prejudice, and without having to ‘settle’ for God knows how much, it would have been better. People could genuinely say they are sorry for naming him or retweeting. Bloody Hell, even the people of South Africa, who had been victims of unspeakable oppression agreed to truth and reconciliation. In my humble opinion, rather than clearing his name, this is coming across to me rightly or wrongly, as a way to get compensation. His name is clearer now than before as many of those spreading rumours for years and years have now been stopped in their tracks. He knew about these accusations and should have stopped them by taking those people to court years ago. By not doing so has is own inaction contributed to this situation?
All of this must be put into the context of the discovery of very real cover-ups and child sexual abuse victims starting to speak out. You then get Mr Messcham saying it was Lord McAlpine who had abused him. Ordinary people could not have been reasonably expected to know that he has previously said his abuser was dead etc. I am not blaming him, he has been through enough, but he did say it. Newsnight is also a very reputable programme. A journalist said the programme was going out, and another named the person and said they were threatening to sue.So while tweeters may have been wrong to do what they did,they did it thinking it was the truth and not as a malicious act against Lord McAlpine,naive though they may have been. In such circumstances, given the exposure of the truth, the compensation already paid etc,cease and desist notices should be more than enough, and lessons would be learned all round.These could be paid for the the money given by the BBC and issued on the same online media. Asking for money to ‘settle’ when there are so may questions about the whole issue, at this stage at least, is just plain wrong. If they were going to go after those who had been naming him for years, and where a campaign of harassment and defamation had already established, fine. It does not seem that this is what is happening. Going after easy targets on woolly grounds does no one any justice.
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bobchewie said:
Tom i read this bollox. Quite right too she says.. Well to use a well worn movie quote.. ” i dont like it – its quiet, too damn quiet “
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bobchewie said:
Sounding like one of those claim adverts you get these days.. Cmon tom get into gear here
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The Infamous Culex said:
The biggest cost of defending a libel action, especially against a fairly wealthy plaintiff, would be the cost of one’s own lawyers and, if they won and costs were awarded, the cost of the plaintiff’s lawyers.
For a case like this, costs of over a million pounds would not be extraordinary.
It was, therefore, much less expensive to settle.
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bobchewie said:
The man in the centre of this storm is going through agony at the moment and no one seems to give a feck. Its all about reputations and i mean every one. Makes me sick.
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bobchewie said:
The mainstream press just re write pr fluff and handouts. Lazy un investigated bullshit. And us who are equally to blame for this apathy.. Oh and some bloggers looking for kudos.. Whats real is peoples agony .. We do nothing till that pain is turned into a product then we sit there and piss and moan, then go shopping. After all its not our problem is it?
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bobchewie said:
Then if so outraged tom why arent you looking into DL.,?
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Tom Pride said:
What makes you think I’m not??
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bobchewie said:
Not everyone is computer literate you know..
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bobchewie said:
Photos were taken. Its been alleged for the purposes of blackmailing those who took part.,
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incubusblog said:
Boy, oh boy Tom, have you got a troll/shill/sock-puppet problem! I recommend a good pest controller…
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bobchewie said:
Shed the light of day on this nest of vipers..
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Freyda said:
Just to clarify when I said the issue was woolly, I meant what constitutes defamation not whether Lord McAlpine was involved in this abuse. I think it has been firmly established he was not. I feel sorry for him but Mr Messham even more. It should be time now to look at the whole thing again to see if there are any leads to be followed by the police because that is the most important thing. If abusers are still alive, they also need to be stopped.
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bobchewie said:
I doubt the real culprit will be caught unless you can imprison a dead person. And anyway i also doubt it what with all this sickening arse crawling sycophancy that appears .. Well no surprise…the article and comments.. Oh i feel quite ill now….
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2012/11/the-wisdom-of-alistair-mcalpine-a-man-who-in-two-senses-lives-well.html
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bobchewie said:
There does seem to be an attack on mr messham as well as bloggers and tweeters. Something has upset them or..,maybe it pays better to derail or defuse any thing that might upset our lords and masters..
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Harry said:
Concern Troll, is Concerned.
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Art and Photography lover said:
“In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the ‘well-known and anonymous collector’ for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 ‘fashion and eroticism’ photographs, including ’10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden’.
Being a lover of art and photography I googled Graham Ovenden and ‘images’. I think some nude photography is very beautiful but this? Art for art’s sake or not?
It proves nothing of course but I do wonder why reference to the collection has been removed from Lord McAlpine’s Wiki page. He appears to be a great collector of all sorts of things – including beads, other artworks and police truncheons. Each to his own.
As a very young child I was subjected to a ‘flasher’ but thankfully nothing more. That alone was an appalling experience. It makes you feel guilty and dirty and bewildered – I can’t imagine how terrible it must be to have experienced even worse. Perhaps Lord McAlpine should be starting up a charity or something to help abused people if he wants to allay any further doubts about him. Trying to shut people up only fans the flames I would say.
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bobchewie said:
Er there were photos too of young ladies in the buff. And a court case it seems.. This is getting weird..
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Harry said:
Can someone more sober than me, verify the above — and then start screaming from the rooftops?
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bobchewie said:
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bobchewie said:
Ok Harry re ovenden stuff. Photos paintings and court case. Well theres a painting of him with a little girl on his lap. Then it says he was inspired by the novel ‘lolita’ (??) sad to see well known art bods supported him.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Ovenden#_
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gnstr said:
Elitists and those in power will go to great lengths to hide, distort, lie and pervert the course of justice to suit their sorry selves and protect their friends. They’ve always done so, and unfortunately they are not about to change so now. There’s very little the rest of us ‘normal’ folk who get blamed for everything including seeking the truth can do, short of organising a full blown revolution. But again, we can’t do that. Not with mortgages, jobs; kids; mouths, wives and husbands to feed. Society has become a trap. And by calling for revolution, the same media machine that most of us correctly cry foul against will most certainly brand us ‘extremists’, ‘fundamentalists’, ‘dissidents’ and generally people of bad repute, all because our ways of trying to get to the bottom of a story / seeking the truth do not conform to the establishment or represent some kind of threat to their power blocs, the likes running and influencing the bulk of what we see and hear in manstream media(most of it is distorted rubbish). But who wouldn’t when they had things to hide? The most that will come out of this are a number of scapegoats who do not have friends in high places. I’ve been around the planet long enough to be quite sure of that. Would bet the life of my dog on it. Horrible + extremely filthy lot they are.
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bobchewie said:
“We’re all in it together” we know. Lawyers judges police business military politicians newspapers security …ad nauseum.
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Xan Tok said:
I am overjoyed to read those defending twitter and our freedoms from those out to take them away. Libel and cyber bullying is never right but considering this man’s all out wish to financially devour anyone who may have offended him and the clamour of the Telegraph media in particular to use this case to silence online bloggers indeed demonstrates the fear and frustration of the mainstream media in the face of citizen journalism. Indeed let’s blow the silence to hell and shout like we mean in when we say we are here to stay!
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bobchewie said:
We can but try…
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Bill Kruse said:
Now perhaps, when you point out that (due to the expenses involved I assume you mean) society is a trap which stops us rebelling, you see why they preserve the banks at the expense of the rest of us. The banks are at the heart of the financial system which we’re all in fief to. If they were owned locally and publicly then it would be a different matter. Preserving the privately-owned banks is preserving the Establishment. That’s why we’re continually called upon to bail them out. The Establishment are preserving the system which lets them get away with abhorrent behaviour like paedophilia.
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bobchewie said:
Well there is whole scale theft of public money. Lets not forget that.
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gnstr said:
exactly.
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bobchewie said:
Evidence destroyed : http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=30010
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bobchewie said:
First it was a pathological liar out cause trouble and extortion / blackmail. Then it became the rabble on twitter and skulking bloggers with an axe to grind to bring down a truel great man. Now its a lefty communist plot..is the disinfo machine running out of ideas or just plain bonkers?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233810/A-prestige-award-liar-McAlpine-debacle.html
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bobchewie said:
Oh and more crap , this time from stormin norman on the communist plot to bring down that great man lord oh bugger it i forgot.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100188996/the-plot-to-smear-lord-mcalpine-was-a-disgrace-time-for-a-thorough-clean-out-of-the-bbc/
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bobchewie said:
Stupid question dept: why didnt the gracious lord sue the welsh police over the photo shown to steven and naming his lord ship?
http://m.first-thoughts.org/on/Steve+Messham/
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WormsIview said:
Ah. Seeing Norm’s. account of ‘Maggie’s boys’ – it meshes with Cameron’s prepared bat to the Schofield question – you remember the list of names he didn’t even need to read.
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Dale Latimer said:
well said Tom.
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Dale Latimer said:
bloody true, sadly.
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unlimitednow said:
These people are totally evil they seek to silence the abused children and the investigators with the cover-up and they even make money out of it.CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATOR ANDREA DAVISON WAS AT DU… http://google-law.blogspot.com/2012/11/child-abuse-investigator-andrea-davison.html?spref=tw
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Juliette said:
Good for you..:-)
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Juliette said:
I think that Steve Messham has the right to know who it was in the pic..If it wasn’t McAlpine..
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Juliette said:
And it should be stopped NOW!
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bobchewie said:
Theres a bit more to this. It seems that ms davison was an agent in security and was being trolled by a police informant go passed on her where abouts to police and security bods.. She had been in middle east doing security work too. Yes she was fitted up whilst looking into pedo thing thing. I dont know but theres stuff to do with serco anf nuclear stuff in all this. I will post the blog on this story ok?
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bobchewie said:
Obvious question is why didnt macca sue the welsh police? Surrly they were the first ones who named him?
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misty53 said:
I tried looking for you on twitter, but your account seems to have been suspended
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bobchewie said:
Why didnt the great lord sue the police? And if you read his stuff he has almost been hinting at a family member. If so he could stop this crap. So he dont look lije the school bully and extortionist. If his family was involved he can bloody well own up and tell us.
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bobchewie said:
The boss of the care home was found working in a hotel of late. Seems he made a fortune out of running it. Oh and he was convicted as a paedophile too.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/convicted-north-wales-care-home-1430164
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bobchewie said:
Yeah it was. Some shit about posting unsolicted stuff. Had to grovel to the twatter thought police to allow me back on. Well i am now. It seems. For now at least. Did you see the mirror item on the boss of the care home i posted? He made fortune out of that place and was convicted as a pedo too. In the item he hints at ppl at the top being involved. Just like a certain tory bag man who has just come into some money. About £185k in fact . Weird.
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tony roma said:
OHH LORD AND HIS LEGAL MAN HELP SCUM.
I LIE PROSTRATE AT YOUR SERVICE READY FOR SLINGS AND ARROWS OR FLACID MEAT.
AN APPY POLLY LOGGY
AN APOLOGY
A MEA TWITTER TWATTER CULPA
A SINCERE APOLOGY WITH REMORSE REGRET AND HUMBLE MASTER AND SERVENT OBEDIENCE. WOT WOT WOT.
I AM SORRY I REALLY AM.
WEEKS AGO I DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESS.
IT WAS AGREED THAT I WOULD NOT NAME NAMES TO PROTECT THE REPUTATIONS OF IMPORTANT LORDS AND LADIES.
I DID NOT NAME NAMES BECAUSE OF THE LIBEL LAWS AND THE SLIM CHANCE OF ANY CHILD RAPE CASE COMING TO COURT.
SO I DID NOT NAME NAMES.
THE BBC ALSO AGREED TO NOT NAME NAMES AND THEY DID NOT.
I AM CONFUSED I DID NOT REALISE THAT BY NOT NAMING NAMES.
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND BY NOT NAMING THE NAME THAT I DID NOT NAME, I WOULD THEN BE OPEN TO THREAT AND PROSECUTION AND MEDIA ABUSE BECAUSE OF MY CALLOUS EVIL ACT OF NOT NAMING NAMES.
MYSELF AND THE BBC ARE CLOSER TO ARE OWN DESTRUCTION THAN YOU CAN KNOW.
I AM SORRY THE BBC 200K SORRY,MR WATSON AND PHILLIP SCOFIELD IS SORRY AND BERK COW WELL SHE IS HIRED HELP WITH A COMMON PURPOSE.
NONE OF US WANTED TO HURT AND DESTROY THE HAPPY FAMILIES AND THE REPUTATIONS OF ARE SUPERORS IT WAS ARE IGNORANCE THAT WAS AT FAULT.
WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF NOT NAMING NAMES.
THE MERE SUGGESTION THAT A SECRET CABAL OF RICH MEN MOVE CHILDREN AROUND IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY LIKE CATTLE IS PURE IKEIAN FORUM CONSPIRACY TITTLE TATTLE.
AS A VICTIM OF SODOMY I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY WISH THAT THE INTERNET BE CONTROLLED AND SHUT DOWN IN PLACES TO PROTECT THE LORDS AND SENSITIVE LADIES OF OLDE ENGERLUND.
CHILDREN MAKE UP STORIES THAT IS WHY WE NEED THEM IN NSPCC CHILDLINE HOMES.
ONCE WITHIN THEY CAN MAKE AS MUCH NOISE AND TELL AS MANY STORIES AS THEY WANT, AS THEY WILL NOT BE SEEN OR HEARD.
THANK GOD WE ARE NOW BACK ON TRACK.
PRAISE BE THE STATUS QUO
THANK YOU MR BLAIR AND PRIME MINISTER CAM MORON
GOD BLESS are VAMPYRE QUEEN.
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bobchewie said:
“Thanks for the money, now bugger off ! “
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bobchewie said:
Oh and lets not forget the blacklisting of eorkers and anyone who didnt fit in or agree with the established order. Funnily enough construction companies were involved in all this. Several in fact , now i wonder if you can think of one. Let me give you a clue , it begins with M and ends in e..
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120304075817AAMERL2
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bobchewie said:
The blacklisting of construction workers
http://m.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/03/police-blacklist-link-construction-workers?cat=technology&type=article
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unlimitednow said:
Yes there is a lot more to all this and more to come out
http://google-law.blogspot.com/2012/11/child-abuse-investigator-andrea-davison.html
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Tom Pride said:
dewilennard – you’re making the mistake of thinking libel laws in the UK are to designed to stop people accusing other people of things they didn’t do.
They’re not. They’re designed to enable people with means to put people without means in their place when they get a bit too uppity. Just the threat to sue usually does the trick.
Anyway, we’ll see. But if I am sued can I say ‘I told you so’?
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Jenny said:
I agree, it comes across as some sort of plan to put a stop to any more information coming out via the Private true media (Internet)
Twitter and facebook.
I hope the masses go ahead and still twitterin there thousands, as there really is sod all they can do about it.
People power.
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catherine courtney (@comefollowcath) said:
Right how to start ,1963 time directive set up by then con-gov to shut up ex Nazareth house kids who had been abused by the likes ,of chaps from the Lords,if only I knew their names,But alas the revolting nuns didn’t introduce us as we were treated as sub human. The home was shut down under OFFICIAL SECRET ACT,It was never going to be made public, Some time ago visited solicitor,who specialized in abuse cases said impossible because of directive. I’ve been deprived Justice all my life by these dirty right wingers ,still hope one day, before I die to see somebody from their class suffer even if its McAlpine, he looks like one of them, they have a certain air and smell about them, I know its still with me, Oh god every time I.. see these cons on TV my blood boils all of them are the same Cameron Hague Ids ect ect, I could go on for hours .got other things to do .
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bobchewie said:
This abuse stuff has a long history that goes way back. The lengths the establishment has gone to cover it up just shows what a bunch of scumbags they are. All the cases should be investigated and brought to light. They still blight peoples lives. Mr Messham is just one example.. Its tragic..
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bobchewie said:
Ive looked at this nazareth house and will post what i find.
Pk ok i got this;
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldjudgmt/jd080521/bowden-1.htm
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misty53 said:
thats the one
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misty53 said:
My friend there are thousands like us out there where the only thing that will begin to help repair the damage caused by these bastards is Justice and admission that bad things went on went the lights went out! The average Joe in the street has no idea the extent of the abuse that I am sure still goes on, not ever being challenged, Savile is just proof of that, “hiding in plain sight” laughing at those in “higher places” he knew so much about!! and knew that they would go to any lengths to shut those people up that dared to bring this out into the open!! We all learn to cope with what happened to us back then, but it is always there in the background, waiting to show its ugly face at times we least expect it, when maybe putting our grandchild in the bath, or not even being able to face seeing him/her uncloathed, as this brings back so many bad memories, and with it the guilt that we all have to bear, this guilt is the thing that hurts the most, and we know we were not to blame, but nevertheless its there, and wont go away. Some people turn to drink, some to drugs, some cant bear to carry on with life, so they end it, some like us learn coping skills, all very different Im sure, and then you have the small few who themselves become abusers, getting their own back?? I dont know, but I do know that this is the worst kind of abuser. I pray that all people who have been abused will one day get the justice we all so despartely need, in order for the healing to begin. xxxx
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bobchewie said:
Well i posted a link to the nazareth house stuff case and all the lords who were voting or deliberating on it, if anyone noticed…maybe post what you think after seeing it.
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misty53 said:
yes I have been reading it, must say one has to have an excellent knowledge of the law to understand everything there, but I believe it needs further investigating. It is our duty to investigate and bring out into the open, all involved in child sexual exploitation, even if our own government dont give a damn about it!! only 15 bothered to turn up at the debate on this subject last week, that says it all really!
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bobchewie said:
Ok thanks, to me it looks like a whitewash as appeals were dismissed, but i did note in that document it made references to Bryn Alyn ie the case thats come to light re lord wotsisname and sm.. Its all a bit weird. Take a look you will see….
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bobchewie said:
Ok ive tried to work my way through it but first glance it looks like a whitewash .. Also noted was refs to bryn alyn community holdings. Ie the care home that sm was in, the daily mirror found the owner of that place working in hotel he was convicted as pedo , he made a fortune out of that place and in mirror said he hired out kids as rent boys.. Yes this DOES need looking into.
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misty53 said:
Yes I also noticed that one, love it the way you call it a whitewash, the nice word for coverup, lol. I would love to know just how many care homes were and still are involved in this depraved, sordid handeling of the children in their care! I believe the connections are there, all we have to do is join the dots and search the archives, which is what we and others are doing. You take care and stay safe my friend, one day the truth will come out, and all those involved will be made accountable xx
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bobchewie said:
I really cant thank you enough for those kind wirds i have been trying for ages fir someone to look into all this, the ppl who claimed they were concerned seem to be distracted by rotherham labour nonsense then banging on about euro zone so i have lost faith in them st the moment. I was hoping Tom may delve ibto this matter, he knows a bit about it but not enough i keep trying to get his attention and others attention on this matter but they all seem to not notice and its painful to witness the pain of those abused ..
Ok i have a very bad chest cold and am quite unwell at the moment.. I live in a privatise care home at the moment, it seems we are ‘customers’ ??
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mymouths2big said:
syzygysue, That list of suicides in 1994 sounds more like a hit-list to me. Wasn’t there some kind of expose’ occurring at the time. Yes, thought so!
A potentially explosive report into an alleged child sex ring at the Bryn Estyn care home has been uncovered by officials combing council archives.
Legal worries forced the now-defunct Clwyd Council to destroy its 1994 account of the alleged abuse of children in care at Bryn Estyn, written by John Jillings. The report named several individuals, but the content was deemed so dangerously defamatory by lawyers that it was kept out of the public domain.
However the document has now been found by Flintshire council – one of six councils into which Clywd was absorbed upon its dissolution in 1996.
Anyone believe in coincidences?
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